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Deftones’ Chino Moreno Reveals More “Black Stallion” Remixers, Talks “Gore” Shortcomings And Nü-Metal Hindsight


Deftones frontman Chino Moreno has spoken to Vulture on a wide range of topics in a newly published interview. Among them: the band’s impending new album “Ohms“, the pandemic, achieving a more ‘balanced’ mental health with therapy and more.

As we’ve seen prior in the press so far for the “Ohms” album cycle, the band’s previous record, 2016’s “Gore“, fell short in the expectations of not just the some fans, but also for the band in some regards. While the reduced input from guitarist Stephen Carpenter on that effort is often cited as an issue, others also have found the production to be a sticking point.

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As Moreno told Vulture in this new interview, he feels time constraints also kept “Gore” from attaining its full potential:

“With the last album, we had a deadline, and we don’t all live in the same city. When we get together to work, we literally have to fly into a certain city. We recorded [‘Gore‘] in Los Angeles, and I’d moved out of there maybe seven years ago or so.

When I go back, I have to live in a hotel room and basically clock in to the studio from noon to six, which is usually the hours we would work. It was super-structured, which I didn’t mind, but at the end of the day, it was like, I’m away from home. I’m not sleeping in my own bed. I can’t cook my own food. I’m living like I’m on tour. I’m in the studio every day. We gotta get this done. But this is not my element. I’m away from home.

I think that feeling of just wanting to just finish something in a timely manner is why that record turned out in that way, where it was like maybe we weren’t there yet. Maybe we hadn’t actually explored and allowed what would happen naturally to happen. It was like, ‘We have to finish this. We have enough songs. They’re done. Let’s go.’

I think we learned from that process. Luckily, we’re at a point in our career where we can take our time, especially these days, where we’re all in a holding pattern. We were able to finish the songs [this time] and explore all the avenues.”

Later in the chat, Moreno spoke of the upcoming “White Pony” companion album, “Black Stallion“. That effort is expected to be bundled with a forthcoming 20th anniversary edition of the platinum-selling “White Pony“. He revealed some more participants who are contributing remixes of “White Pony” tracks to that piece,  including DJ Shadow, Trevor Jackson and Clams Casino. He said of that:

Trevor Jackson did an awesome remix. I was so stoked on it. It’s almost hard to figure out what song it is. I love remixes like that, where it’s a whole new take. So him, DJ Shadow, Clams Casino, people whose music I liked and I like working with.”

Moreno was later asked how he feels about people who look down on the nü-metal era that Deftones initially rose to fame in, he offered:

“I think they probably always did look down. They always felt guilty about listening to certain things. I don’t think it’s us so much but definitely Limp Bizkit and shit like that. I think motherfuckers were embarrassed for that shit back then, too. You can’t deny it. It’s fucking stupidly good, some of it, but they knew back then that it was stupid. I mean, listen to the words. It’s stupid.

So it’s not like in retrospect they’re like, ‘I can’t believe I listened to that.’ It’s like, ‘No, when you listened to it then, you knew it was dumb, but you liked it.’ And that’s okay.

No one should be embarrassed by shit they like that’s dumb. Just like what you like. Who cares? Don’t try to be holier than thou. If you liked it then, don’t be embarrassed, because it wasn’t any smarter back then. It’s the same music it was 20 years ago. And you know what? It’s catchy. I get it. There’s nothing wrong with that.”

Ohms” will be out this Friday, September 25th.