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Deftones’ Stephen Carpenter On Illegal Downloaders: “I Say Hallelujah To Them”

Deftones guitarist Stephen Carpenter has a rather lax approach when it comes to fans illegally downloading his bands music. When asked by Loudguitars.com how he felt about people downloading his music for free, he replied:

“….I say hallelujah to them. You know, I say it for only one reason, the truth is people who download your music are your fans. Or people who are potentially going to become your fans. And if you’re going to be upset that someone is interested, or becoming interested in your stuff, then what’s the point. What are you doing?

If it’s all about money then certainly you’re going to be offended. But if your actual intent is to enjoy what you’re doing and have others enjoying it, then it should be a no brainer. I welcome all people to download the music. They won’t be the first, they won’t be the last, and for anyone to fight that… it’s futile.”

Carpenter continued to elaborate on the subject and you can find his full reply in the below video interview:

Comments

  • adamonfire

    Well said, kudos.

  • BlueBalls

    Good interview. It’s worth listening to beyond the part about illegal downloading. I always like it when musicians I respect say intelligent and rational things.

  • Legion

    Not going to pick a side one way or another as both have valid points, however I feel it is worth pointing out that it’s a lot easier to say “Yeah!, Bring on the downloaders!” when your band has already made a name for itself and is already financially stable.

    • jampola

      I think it CAN work both ways. The proof is in the pudding y’know. I see plenty of bands who do the DIY thing off the bat and they tend to flourish.

      I tend to see bands who ARE established then go on to blame illegal downloading for poor sales when in fact they had just released a shitty record (gee, Korn comes to mind!)

      • Lifeseclipse

        I believe Jonathan Davis even said, “they weren’t supposed to listen to our album until AFTER they paid for it. Now everything’s ruined!”

      • scorpions

        @jam- I like that perspective a lot!

    • frog

      Go ahead and try to release an album as a new independent artist and get anyone to listen to it without piracy and you’ll find that piracy may not be the problem.

  • MyDarkPassenger

    I wonder if all the high-and-mighty CD buyers of this site are going to come out against this. I always catch a lot of shit admitting I haven’t purchased a physical piece of music since A Perfect Circle’s 13th Step, and have only paid for a light handful of tracks online since then. Don’t care, so don’t bother.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/buzafazoo booze

      High and mighty because they put money into the band’s pocket as opposed to not doing so? Not following the logic here at all. Or were you not aiming for logic?

  • scorpions

    Its hella’ worth watching this. I feel like i fucking know steph now… I buy and download… Deftones is still my favorite band. Just happy to be back in a normal thread. FUCK

  • southpawchew

    75% of what I download I buy. And if I don’t its because your product wasn’t good enough or your prices are too damn high. I own all CDs of the deftones as they have really really really good product!

  • kturl69

    He’s financially set for the rest of his life(I’m assuming.) Of course he’s gonna say that. Not that I’m disagreeing with the man. I mean Deftones have been one of my favorite bands for a very long time. Shit, they made it before the internet downloading era even began. Rock on.

    • kturl69

      To clarify I meant downloading music era began not downloading porn. Shit we’ve all been doing that since we were in 6th grade. If you were a real man that is. Haha

      • WURST

        Sometimes I wonder what it would have been like to have the internet around when I was that young (I’m 34 now). I ask myself, would I have been an internet porn, ‘bating machine or would I have kept it old school and resorted to an analog jerk sesh with my older brother’s Hustler mags?

      • loprojoe

        Wurst, 34 as well. And that was some funny shit. We actually had to use our imagination back in the day lmao.

        Kturl, you are right. Deftones managed to make it during the over-priced album era. The worst thing they had to worry about was someone taping it to cassette.

        Nowadays it is sooooo easy to put music out there that you can’t expect everyone to pay for everything they might be interested in. You would go broke.

        Let’s face it, how many full albums cluttered the house that you ended up liking one damn song?

    • WURST

      I get what you’re saying. We’ll never know the main factor behind his statement, whether it’s being financially set or if that’s the way he would truly feel is his band was still struggling. Either way, I think the way he described his stance was perfect.

  • cma3585

    I own over 1000 CDs and also have quite an mp3 collection. For the albums I REALLY enjoy, I always purchase a hard copy if available. That said, I have certain bands/albums on my computer that I occasionally enjoy that I simply deem not good enough to spend my money on as well. So I guess I fall right down the middle on this. I will say that downloading has probably led to me purchasing a good 300 artists’ discs I own. It’s opened up quite the musical world to me and taken me places and genres I never suspected I’d get into years ago.

  • CanYouTransfuse

    Stand up individual. I wish more musicians were like this, I know I am.

    I use Spotify and download what isn’t on there, but still purchase loads of merch to help with recovering SOME costs. I just damage my CD’s too often and I could care less if someone were to download my work (hence why I put our entire collection up as a torrent), so I figure why not?

    • kturl69

      Oh shit, it’s been a long while since I downloaded an entire discography. Whats the name of your band? I’ll give it a listen. I bet it kicks ass.

      • adamonfire

        He doesn’t need your uninformed opinion money anyways, he’s going to Europe. Twice.

      • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence

        He calls this his band: http://abortionautopsy.bandcamp.com/album/deep-throat
        ..cuz that’s his face on the cover

      • CanYouTransfuse

        Still butthurt huh boys?

        I obviously tapped the right chord with you!

      • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence

        That’s what you’re aiming for I presume? Sorry, you’re a buffoon, comparable to that Attack Attack guy ending his writings with “Also I’m not gay.”

      • CanYouTransfuse

        You are still holding a grudge for me having my own opinion on a separate thread. You wouldn’t be commenting like this if you didn’t feel what I said was a little true, you would simply ignore me.

      • kturl69

        “Still no link? Hahahahaha pee-on. You’re all below me. Muahahaha I am GOD.”

      • CanYouTransfuse

        Still more butthurt. I did a good job, hahahahahaha. Glad that is cemented in your brain now.

      • kturl69

        Lets hear some SHIT CYT! Are you playing the Warped Tour this year?

      • kturl69

        And I bet you’re gonna tell me Huey Lewis can’t judge music because he only mastered the harmonica. Asinine!

      • GordonLightfootLoverXEX

        Huey Lewis can judge music. He was a judge in Back To The Future duh

      • G Scotty

        And the delusion parade continues.

        “if you didn’t feel what I said was a little true, you would simply ignore me.”

        What kind of logic is this? OR perhaps, we vehemently disagree with you. I don’t see how telling you that you are completely full of shit translates to “yeah, i owned all these dudes” in your own head. These are called delusions, and in your case, of severe grandeur. However i am comfortable knowing that arguing any more is pointless. Forget Norma Jean, im starting to think you could possibly be Ronnie Radke…where’s Lorenzo when ya need him?

      • CanYouTransfuse

        Ronnie Radke attacked fans of another band for no reason, I simply asked Wurst for a link to a band he has been in which started this uber-butthurt bandwagon you selective same 5 people have been riding for nearly two days now. I understand I got under your skin, I understand my argument makes sense, and it’s OK to accept what I am saying as some sort of fact because in reality, it is. Not the reality you live at home behind your computer………I mean the actual world of a living, breathing musician who is telling you that you have to make some sort of music before you can accurately judge it.

        I am sorry if this adult logic is bewildering to you, maybe if you picked up an instrument you would understand better.

        :)

    • GordonLightfootLoverXEX

      CYT,

      You even riff bro?

  • BiteMyShinyMetalAss

    Your opinion is invalid because I said so. So there.

    • CanYouTransfuse

      ^^^^^^^^^^

      Another non musician here folks.

      You guys are clearly not taking all of what I said well. Don’t worry I am not going anywhere so we can work on it.

      :)

      • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

        I try to avoid people who go out of their way to say that they’re a “professional musician”.

      • CanYouTransfuse

        Hence why you frequent this site with the other non musicians. Sorry to tell you, but 80 percent of the artists you listen to consider themselves “professional musicians”, unless you listen to bands that don’t give a shit about what they do…….which you probably do.

        :)

      • WURST

        This CanYouTransfuse dude reminds me of 90% of the people that live in Austin. You mind if I borrow some of your shit, sir? I hear it doesn’t stink.

      • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

        CanYouTransfuse,
        I am a musician. I have friends who are professional musicians(yes, just like you). — Your whole message contradicts itself. There’s good non “professional” music out there too, and I don’t give a shit what bands think of their fans – if they’re real dicks, I probably don’t follow them. I’m a musician, I’ve played shows, done the rock and roll thing.

  • My Farts Linger

    I’m just wondering you you refuse to provide a link to your music, CYT? Would it not help prove your point? I’m genuinely curious. Let’s hear it!

    • CanYouTransfuse

      I have yet to make a musical argument or throw a negative opinion out about a band. Once I do that, then you will have the privilege of hearing my music.

      Butttttt, I don’t go running my mouth on the internet except to people like yourself. I am getting paid to do it and ruining your day, so it makes for a fun work experience, but in the end, you will be stuck behind that monitor while I am doing what I love while on my part time putting you beta males in your place.

      All the while getting paid.

      :)

      R.I.P Your Mark On This Planet

      • BiteMyShinyMetalAss

        Your excuse at not posting a link is that you are not bashing any bands yet you clearly support certain bands. It cuts both ways. Why should I take your opinion that a band is awesome when you have not “proven” in your terms that you are a musician, and therefore worthy to judge even in a positive way. You are nothing more than a troll and a truly sad one at that.

      • adamonfire

        You did about The White Stripes, now post a link.

      • WURST

        CYT, he’s absolutely right. Now post those YouTube links to your shitty guitar covers of Senses Fail songs.

      • adamonfire

        If you’re insulting Senses Fail I will have to resort to fisticuffs, sir.

    • My Farts Linger

      *why you <— just caught that error.

      I am not asking to hear your music from an argumentative standpoint. Why do you have to comment on a particular piece of music before you are able, or willing, to provide a link the "torrent you uploaded?"

      As a fan of music, and out of curiosity, I would like to hear some of the music you have made.

      Now, bend and twist my words until you, once again, make yourself look like a complete douche bag.

      • CanYouTransfuse

        Yeah right, I love being able to fly under the radar on this site. You won’t see me commenting negatively on things musically because I don’t do that.

        What you WILL see is me calling out anyone who says anything negative about a band that deserves respect. I will be determining that respect and quality through the musical knowledge I have obtained over the years.

        Sorry, I am hear to stay and the only negative things you will ever see from me will be in regards to people who deserve every bit of it.

        :)

      • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)

        CYT Still no link huh?

      • CanYouTransfuse

        Correct. You will receive a link from me the day I negatively bash a band.

        Still butthurt huh?

        :)

      • WURST

        Damn, your recorded material must really be shitty if that’s the only reason why you wont post a link.

      • Lifeseclipse

        Two possibilities: this person doesn’t play music, or is terrible at music.

        I love the avoidance technique here…

        “Post links to your songs”

        “No, I want you to be mad. Oh, lol, I trole u. Look how buttmads u R! Lol. I’m secretly a rock star, an I’m gunna tour with skid row tomorrow an u guise will be fight on Internet cuz u has no links, lol.”

        This is gonna be a fun thread.

        Otep is gay.

      • WURST

        We’ve seen plenty of people over the years come on here with the same shit CYT keeps saying. It’s nothing new.

  • dr.3000

    do you people seriously not realized you’re just being trolled?

    • adamonfire

      Oh we do, just not sure if it’s on purpose or not. Helps spice up the place from time to time and gives Wooks better numbers, so it’s really win-win.

      • CanYouTransfuse

        If it’s a trolling you aren’t ignoring it will at all and if it isn’t a trolling you are taking it very much too heart so it’s a win-win for me too!

      • adamonfire

        In this particular thread, who said you were being ignored? I think you need to spend less time on your bongos and more time studying your Inglés, hombre.

      • CanYouTransfuse

        When someone is cornered in an argument, the first thing they do is speculate the other person’s age or correct the other person’s grammar.

        Thank you for proving that point.

        ;)

      • G Scotty

        no offense meant here…but cite your sources, freud

      • CanYouTransfuse

        No offense taken. I am not having an argument of any kind though so you get no source.

        :)

      • WURST

        CYT, are you still bashing people because they aren’t musicians? I’m sorry but until you post something you’ve done musically I can’t take you seriously. I’m starting to get the feeling you suck at whatever instrument you play and/or were criticized in a way that has scarred you. To make yourself feel better you come on here and throw back the same insults to random strangers that insult music you are a fan of.

        I’m beyond all that nonsense from the weekend so dont think this is carry-over from that. I’m just tried of seeing your childish arguments on this thing.

      • CanYouTransfuse

        That’s cool Wurst.

        Your 20 year drumming career called…..it’s wondering why you wasted it’s time on this planet.

        There aren’t random insults whatsoever, you are just angry because they are directed at yourself and have actual weight, which is why you keep responding.

        You have followed me for two threads now even though you don’t care what I think.

        Failure. Always.

      • WURST

        Eh, that’s your response? Ok.

      • CanYouTransfuse

        That’s a coincidence, that was the same reaction I had about your 20 year drumming career ;)

      • WURST

        Dude, what’s up with you and this “career” shit? Not everyone that picks up an instrument has a desire to become a professional musician or make it in the industry. Sure, I’ve been in bands before, played shows, recorded material, the whole nine…but I never cared to become a professional musician, tour the world, etc. I was completely happy doing what I was doing at my level. There are plenty of people that partake in hobbies and interests and have no desire to do it professionally. Get your head out of your ass.

      • adamonfire

        I’m a big fan of having health care and a 401k, myself.

      • CanYouTransfuse

        I receive both of those from my job that I have when we aren’t touring the world. I accomplished that from hard work and motivation.

        I love how you non musicians assume we are all dead beats and broke. Just goes to show you literally know nothing of the industry and the people in it.

        Wurst, if you were an accomplished musician, hell, even an ATTEMPTED musician you would have something to back up your opinion about all these bands.

        But you don’t because you wasted away the 20 year drumming experience you had by acting like a typical asshole who “wanted to make it” or “be in a real touring band”, but never got to actually do what everyone around you was able to because you didn’t try hard enough (hence your lack of confidence when producing any material).

        Which is why you ended up on thePRP arguing with someone who is nearly half your age and literally seeing the world while you sit behind a computer moniter wasting away in your mid 30′s to late 40′s (I can’t figure that part out because you exhibit certain features of a failed grunge act and old rock act so it’s tough to pin down).

        The train has passed, your time came and went.

        Sorry bud. Wish it would’ve been what you hoped.

        Also, you are a failure.

        :)

      • WURST

        That was a nice picture you painted of yourself. It must be fun to play make-believe over the internet and imagine you live a life you don’t.

        You seriously have reading comprehension issues. Nowhere did I say I wanted to be a professional music or make it. Christ, you’re an absolute moron. Also, I still play the drums and always will. You talk like I’m done writing and/or recording and haven’t in years, that’s not the case.

        Have fun touring the world (i.e. making the rounds collecting stray items on each aisle around the Wal-Mart store you work at) and don’t forget to send a postcard.

      • CanYouTransfuse

        Oh if you only knew the life I lived Wurst you would be VERRRRRRRRRY jealous I promise you…….but you wouldn’t believe the job I had if I told you in a million years.

        Let’s just say it’s pretty god damn awesome. If only you knew……hahahahahahaha.

        Maybe one day I will take a picture at work and Imgur that shit for you to see what I do with my free time when I am not touring…..if you are lucky ;)

      • Lifeseclipse

        Alright, the jig was up when he said he is provided with everything he needs. Unless we’re talking to Barbara Streisand here, this person is clearly lying. No musicians get healthcare and a 401k. Chi Cheng is living proof.

      • WURST

        Lifeseclipse…the jig has been up with this dude haha.

      • SpinSwimScream

        If this piece of shit was really living some sort of dream life to envy, he wouldn’t be on here wasting his time, bragging to all of us so-called unsuccessful musicians, while keeping it all a big mystery at the same time. He’s one of those younger kids we see on Facebook every single day; the ones who post 20+ statuses a week, claiming to be the greatest, yet hasn’t accomplished anything yet, and deserves no respect or credit. All he needs is a solid beat-down to let him know where he truly stands. Until that day comes, he’ll just keep walking the Earth with his head up high, continuing to think people should bow at his feet. I’m surprised no one has used our favorite word on thePRP yet… Pretentious.

      • adamonfire

        Nonono you guys are all wrong, he has a fulltime job with full benefits that graciously gives him enough time off to tour the world whenever his band feels like it. If you guys knew anything about the music industry or the business world you’d know how common and accepted that is.

      • FarBeyondDriven

        I figured it out! CYT is David Drainman… notice how he is avoiding the key, so he does not give himself away!!!

  • schuler

    I’d buy a DVD of just Steph talking about shit. He’s had a couple ignorant interviews over the years, but who hasn’t? 90% of the time, dude is extremely well-spoken and insightful. Deftones will last forever.

  • SHOTGUNFACELIFT

    He is proving hes about the music not the money. I download and will always download it will not be stopped.

    The Groups/solo artists like Metallica , Eminem who picked a fight with music downloaders (there fans) Only did so because they put out shitty albums and no one that had the chance to download and listen first bought or supported them.

    Yes artists / bands whatever the hell you wanna call yourself you can’t just put out trash anymore and expect people to buy it just because you have had a hit or 2 before.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jayson.ellin jayofdajungle

    If illegal music downloading didn’t exist there would be a lot of bands that I love that I would have never heard. Once a band’s got there hooks in me, I’ll buy tickets to their shows, drop money on merch (including cds or vinyl), so they get theirs. If I download an album that I think sucks, they get nothing from me, but at least I gave them a chance to get money from me, that’s the way I see it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/slippingonnoise Slipping On Noise

    Over the last few years, I finally broke down and started using iTunes for my music. If i’m excited for a new album that’s coming out, I don’t mind paying 99 cents/song for it. If it’s a band that already has a repetoire with me then I’ll buy the actual album or vinyl and try to get it signed at a show. Now that’s not to say that I wasn’t on the LimeWire bandwagon many years ago, whilie i was in middle school and high school.

    • RUREADY2JIGGLE?

      You should use Amazon. Cheaper and just as easy. Shit downloads directly into your iTunes library even!

      /AmazonMp3salespitch

  • msv81

    Speaking of free music….and NOT illegally free; everyone should check out THE SOCIOPATHIC MIXTAPE SERIES; currently there are three volumes, and according to their website the fourth & fifth editions have just been completed (or are near completion).

    Go to their website page to find out how to gain early access to streams of the newest editions before they go public; it’s as easy as sending an email requesting you be put on the email list for invites. The first three volumes are ridiculous; can’t wait to hear 4 and 5!!

    http://sociopathicsound.bandcamp.com

    • adamonfire

      Sociopathic? Psychopathic or GTFO. WHOOP WHOOP!!!

      • schuler

        This dude.

  • Livedefflo

    I used to spend money on cd’s until I figured out 90% of the cash for physical copies was going straight to the record labels and not the artists. The main way you can support the artist is by paying to see them live and buying their merchandise from the vendor at the show. Otherwise most money goes to the record labels and even during concerts if you have a bad label the money goes mostly to the label. Like say… Victory Records for instance or Roadrunner. Both corporate greed machines.

    • WURST

      This is news to me (sarcasm).

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