Terror Guitarist On Hardcore Comments: “The Cold Truth Is Always Going To Upset Some People. It Is What It Is.”
Terror guitarist Martin Stewart shared some thoughts via his Twitter on the recent hardcore comments made by his bands vocalist Scott Vogel.
Some comments from him in relation to the outburst and its subesquent response include:
“The cold truth is always going to upset some people. It is what it is.”
“Hardcore for hardcore, what the fuck else?”
“It’s a phenomenon how 99% of statements, when positive, go completely ignored in the world. But my God, when that negative 1% comes out?…”
“It’s such comedy when a discussion about hardcore comes up & people start trying to talk record sales & who’s “bigger”.”
“Call you niggas Alicia Silverstone ’cause you’re god damn CLUELESS.”
“I was always under the impression that, sound aside, the basics of being a “hardcore” band was supporting & caring about hardcore?”
“If you don’t do those basics but resemble a hardcore band because you play aggressive music w/ breakdowns or something, what are you then?”
“And BEEF? What’s beef? Hahaha, Jesus. Shit is Cesar salad.”
“Caring about HC vs. not caring about HC. Since when did fictional drug usage ever play a role within that debate?”
He also engaged in a conversation with Bring Me The Horizon guitarist Jona Weinhofen regarding his allegations of the bands drug use:
“Stating an opinion on a BAND based on simple facts vs. attacking someone PERSONALLY, spreading rumors. SMH”
The pair went back and forth before thankfully taking the discussion off Twitter. Stewart then later addressed The Ghost Inside frontman Jonathan Vigil‘s statement to a fan, offering:
“Cool post. Very heartfelt. That’s what HC is to HIM but it’s more than that to ME. Agree to disagree.”
The official Terror Twitter also weighed in, offering:
“Not every member of a “family” agrees on everything. We will always express our opinions in this scene that was born out of defiance.”
“Would’ve been cool if our @BWPBITCH @BrokenTeethhc @SurvivalMHC appreciation tweet could’ve been exposed & talked about by so many people.”
And finally Counterparts chimed in on the whole debacle, offering:
“Hey guys, are we hardcore or metalcore? Please answer fast because that’s what’s important. Not the music or mindset. That would be dumb.”
COMMENTS
all this talk about “family” and being “one” from these guys in Terror… funny how when they played YEARS ago with Unearth & The Black Dahlia Murder @ the Cricket Club in NJ, there were 5 serious fights (more like beatdowns) that broke out during their set that concluded with the show being shut down due to security being unable to handle the situation. Where were these assholes and their concept of “family” while singular individuals were getting pummeled by 4-5 guys at a time? They didn’t stop one of their songs to intervene or even acknowledge what was going on. Sounds like a bunch of hot air to me…either that or it was “cool” to be a hard ass back then.
There is unfortunately 2 sides to hardcore I find. 1 is the Violent side of it, which I find that bands like Terror and Hatebreed seem to be the leaders of. More of the youth crews kinda follow these 2 bands, and most youth crews are violent in their ways, and especially the straight edge ones.
Then there is the ones who actually follow what they speak, bands like Agnostic Front. When they speak of unity, and all the things that hardcore was originally based on, they mean it.
I have seen both AF and Terror live before, and I forsure get the violent vibe from the Terror shows. But everytime I have seen them, they have put on one hell of a show. Fuck they made a whole metal festival start moshing to them, after they were getting booed for their first 3 songs. But they forsure dont practice what they preach IMO.
I saw Hatebreed in Chicago this year and they stated multiple times to be courteous to fellow fans and security guards. They even said the crowd should thank security for helping the crowd surfers down.
That being said I think randomly punching somebody in the face at show or that retarded gang beating crap because your an hardcore fan is fucking pathetic and you should be shunned from the outside world.
I’m glad to hear Hatebreed strays from that stuff now. Saw them years ago with Sworn Enemy, and there was fights all over, and they didn’t say a word. Their fans don’t, but atleast the band is now putting that message out there.
As for your 2nd statement, I fully agree.
Saw that same tour at the Knitting Factory in NYC. I was terrified when Terror came on… and not because their name incites fear. It was because of the crew of 6’5″ skinheads that were brawling with others in the merch area. TBDM and Unearth were great though.
well at least you got to see Unearth play. I spoke to Trevor after the show and he was pretty down about what happened. A couple of kids (including the Father of one who was beaten up) had to be taken to the hospital. And this was what, 5+ years ago?
This was 2004 my friend. Remembering Never opened. I actually found my ticket stub yesterday. These scumbags who love promoting their “hardcore families” are just gangbangers under a douchey moniker. I’ve seen other shows at the same place, like the Bled and the Acacia Strain, get shut down due to the same type of pigs. They run in packs and jump people but are complete pussies by their lonesome.
I got jumped by 4 hardcore kiddos in 2004 at a God Forbid show in Pittsburgh b/c there were separate mosh pits and dancing pits and I got shoved into their dancing area. Two held my arms behind me while one dropkicked me in the stomach, then he disappeared into the crowd. Strength in numbers when you weigh 100 lbs, I guess.
cma, people think bands like decide and cannible corpse and “satanic music” is what gives heavy music a bad name this hardcore sentament is what gives it a bad name. they are a gang of blind sheep who gets their jollys off on beating up poor people trying to enjoy music. if my bands supported this style i would be ashamed. i would rather follow icp then follow a group pushing those values.
Was that the place in Irvington? If it was, I was there and remember how violent that crowd was. I remember there were wooden tables on the outsides of the floor that all got smashed through like an ECW match. Terror kept going egging the crowd on even though they were warned numerous times what was actually going on. Bunch of douches.
you got it. It was in Irvington at the cricket club. They beat an old man up so bad he was unconscious and lying in a pool of his own blood, apparently because he tried defending his son. I also remember 5 guys kicking someone in the middle of the floor while he wasnt moving, and security wasn’t doing shit about it. As you said, Terror just kept on playing in plain view of all the mayhem. Fuck them
The worst show i ever went to as far as crowd control was the first time Linkin Park played the qwest in mineapolis in 01. A bunch of never been to a concert types, and some girl fell and got trampled half to death. I had to grab one of these abercrombie cunts by the throat and point out how he had just forced me to step on a girls chest 6 times. I tried to get her up but he just kept pushing me on top of her. thats your typical concert crowd.
Biggest bunch of troglodytes I ever had at a show, fucking EMMURE fans at the rock in maplewood. some dumb gash was so offended that security wouldnt let them pit ninja around, she says, “these guys are assholes, if they dont let up theres gonna be a fight!”. congrats sweetheart, your parents must be so proud, see you at planned parenthood later! Seriously, this group of 13-17 yr olds had to be collectively booted from the show because they couldnt get over not swinging fists like a bunch of epileptic rocky marcianos. If a fight had broke out I doubt frankieew3 dildobutt magoo wouldve stopped playing. he was too busy rushing through his set, hoping to get back to the bus and strangle his cock to capcom games.
Terror played the triple rock in minneapolis last year, it was my first show seeing them. Vogel said, “2 rules tonight…no fights, and have fun!”. Not a single fight broke out during that entire show. he let anyone on stage that wanted to dive or sing and he kept on thanking the crowd for respecting each other. guess it depends on the night, but i got nothing but positive vibes from the band.
Who the fuck cares hardcore people are 10x worse then tapout wearing douche bags. Oh we are so hardcore that if someone has a beer we will jump them give me a fucking brake. Go jump off a cliff
Terror is a bunch of self-centered faggots and hypocrites. No wonder there career hasn’t grown over the past 10 years. Trash
These guys suck to me for just bring up this bullshit. I think they are trying to get attention just like they did talking shit about Refused coming back. Which sounds so much better. Just like the Cancer Bats show I went to on Saturday. Chilled with those guys while I was drinking and didn’t give me any shit. Up sound not your bitching.
Went to see Zao open up for them in like 04′ or 05′. I was under the impression that it was a prerequisite to have a skull tattoo’ed on your skull to be into this band. I was very unimpressed by them and their trash bag fans. I left after 2 songs.
glad I’m not the only one with this opinion.
MUUUSCCLLEEE MIIIILLLLKK!!
These hardcore scene rants need more windmill kicks! LET’S OPEN UP THIS PIT…
“And BEEF? What’s beef? Hahaha, Jesus. Shit is Cesar salad.”
Is someone displeased with his Wendy’s order?
There’s so much “who cares?” going on in here.
One thing the Hardcore family can’t do is pay the bills. Rock and Roll is a young man’s game.
I spit on all of you. Fucking pussy ass motherfuckers.
that’s adorable.
wonderful contribution
I never have to worry about the straight-edge people, because I’m not paying $9 for a god damn beer. I’ve only been offered PETA propaganda once or twice in my life, they take a look at me and know I would not be interested.
I paid $9 on 5 different occasions last night for beers at Deftones. Well worth it.
I stood on the second level from start to finish and didn’t move, I had two rows of 4’9″ girls in front of me so it was an ideal view.
We didn’t leave the pit the entire time. Except for 2 smoke breaks. Some girl had a seizure outside and a huge fight broke out so we couldn’t go out anymore. Bruises all over my body but once again it was well worth it. Waited outside and talked to Sergio for a few minutes but Chino was being a little bitch and wouldn’t come chill.
I dropped $100 for the ticket, parking and a shirt. They sounded a lot better than the Chicago SOAD show. Scars On Broadway really just sounds like songs that Rick Rubin would say “That’s not going on the album.”
I don’t have anything against any of these bands. But i do truly believe that this “scene” regardless of what type of “hardcore” music you choose to play needs more unity, and acceptance. All that matters is that you’re doing what you love and pouring your heart and soul into it.
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