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Deftones – Koi No Yokan

Reprise Records 2012

Deftones - Koi No Yokan

When the Deftones returned from Chi Cheng‘s accident in 2010 with “Diamond Eyes“, it was hard not to empathize with the healing process they were weathering. For once it felt as though the band had been able to put aside their own creative desires and work together as a singular entity.

But even when faced with a bigger purpose; some of the more abrasive songs on that record demonstrated that not every member of the outfit was in the same stage of coming to terms with the tragedy that befell them.

Koi No Yokan” is the light at the end of the tunnel. It finds the group emerging on the other side with an intoxicating level of acceptance and appreciation. A warm wave of an album where each band member is seemingly humbled by just how far they’ve come—both career wise and as human beings.

This newfound respect guides the outfit through a collection of what is perhaps their most darkly melancholic songs to date. But just because the sharper edges have been ground down doesn’t mean the album won’t leave a mark.

Where this opus distinguishes itself is through its sense of reflection. There’s a very discernible air of formative influences at play, especially in Chino Moreno‘s vocals. For through his emotive hooks visions of The Cure, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran are all conjured.

But it’s not just him taking a step back. The roaming lush guitar work is more post-rock texture than riff based lunges; while subdued electronic soundcapes create full-on environments rather than lingering atmosphere. It’s in the meaty bass lines and crisp percussion that the songs gain their sense of tangible weight and friction.

Such an immediate lack of grit and tormented screeches may disappoint some; but the group quickly make up for the perceived lack of outward heaviness with an intoxicating sense of density. Almost all of the songs convey a rapturous sense of emotion. One that finds the burden of past regrets buoyed by the promise of future amends. No more evident is this quality in the music than the mindset of Moreno. The sense of kindred spirits and future love to come reflected by the albums title is not just a clever catchphrase.

For love is the very definition of what “Koi No Yokan” seems intent on expressing. The lyrical content may be somewhat esoteric; but Moreno—who was married earlier this year—is clearly in a state of bliss and his happiness is what nurtures the songs to sonic fruition. That’s not to say he blubbers on of matters of the heart though, so much as he is almost always expressing himself with a uplifting sense of positivity.

Even with the rampant dreamy melodicism there are still some highlights for fans of the Deftones‘ meatier excursions however. “Goon Squad” may not have the wrenched wails, but the barreling riff that drags it along is still deliciously crunchy. “Leathers” also finds the band at their smoldering best. While “Gauze” pits a characteristically chunky riff against shrill electronic underpinnings and a heart melting chorus.

Through and through “Koi No Yokan” is the most endearing of the bands discography. Removed from the butting of heads and the ego-driven pissing contests; its unified vision represents growth both sonically and spiritually for a band previously mired in conflict.

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    • Deftones are the official band of theprp and have been since the blue and black background days. These guys could record an album of Chino taking a shit and it’d still be the only new album I’d actually go to the record store and buy.

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        • My mom said this album is going kick so much ass that even SNR is going to implode and erase from time. She also said ‟follow the leader” would be dragged into a black hole because KoRn turned into a typhoon of washed up new metal turds (save Monkey) and ruined the 90s metal seen for everyone. The Deftones are the only band that CAN make albums that still pave the way! Well, at least that’s what my mom tells me…wutc

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        • The level of clever shown by mr jimmymac almost knocked me on my ass (i was standing, not sitting when i read the reply). This record is a ridiculously smooth listen…

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      • Lifeseclipse     November 7, 2012 at 8:45 pm

        I remember the prp having a black white grey and orange theme at first. Also Wook came up with clever headlines for each story. It seemed like that all stopped when Dime was shot. Then the prp was srsbiznz.

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        • Lifeseclipse     November 7, 2012 at 8:47 pm

          Wook if you are seeing this, and you have old screen shots of the launch, post them somewhere plz. I want a nostalgia trip.

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        • I don’t know about this orange variation, but if you click any of the links under The Vault at the bottom of the page, they load the old blue theme that was around forever. You can even click on the new link from there to see old posts. Personally I miss the randomly chosen page titles most of all.

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        • I’ve been getting all of my metal news from this site since the release of White Pony, and the obsessive compulsive in me has brought me back every day since. Thanks for the years of Deftones coverage. Koi No Yokan is a truly exceptional album,; I’d expect nothing less from Sacto’s finest.

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        • Lifeseclipse     November 8, 2012 at 5:49 am

          I know the old blue theme is still available in the vault, but there was more before the blue theme. Im pretty sure the top of the page used to flat out say, “The Pimp Rock Palace.” Wook, Pedro, and someone else did the stories. Wook, anytime now with the history lesson….

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        • Yeah, it’s funny how people forget this is The Pimp Rock Palace, not the Hipster with Nerd Glasses and a Beard hangout…

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        • Haha, the history lesson… I can’t recall specifically but it would have had to have said Pimp Rock Palace.

          It was started by a dude named Eric who ran it for a few years. He got tired of it and gave it to Pedro–who I had met mp3 trading back in the late 90′s.

          Pedro talked me into it and we relaunched. Pedro brought onboard Syco, Lozt and Defweb. This was all on Angelfire at the time, amusingly.

          Pedro never officially quit, but I think life got in the way for him and my then shoddy attempts at perfectionism pretty much edged him out and took over the reigns.

          I think Syco and Lozt were let go over trivial bullshit. After that Defweb and me ran it. The traffic had outgrown Angelfire and the site was moved to a dedicated server. We tried to brainstorm a new name, but the old one had stuck, so we just decided to change it to theprp.com and leave it.

          13 years later, still sucking.

          As for old layouts, I don’t have any caps. Too many crashed hardrives. But I remember a red layout, a green layout and then there was my own design-the black, purple and yellow with the damned iframes and multiple scrollbars(!)

          After that came the blue and black that ran for like a decade, followed by the red eagle one and now this current layout.

          The shitty headlines were tossed for seo reasons when the move was made to wordpress to help the site get traction in serach engines after years of neglect in that field.

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        • How the hell do I vividly remember the blue/gray scheme but not the red shit with the eagle? Weird. I like the current setup better but I really miss the blue/gray scheme.

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        • Lifeseclipse     November 8, 2012 at 10:44 pm

          Defweb is the other one I remember. And the “annoying iFrames” one with all the scrollbars is the one I’m talking about. I was pointed toward this site back when I worked for Streetwise. Holy man, has time ever flown.

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        • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence     November 8, 2012 at 11:23 pm

          Syco & Lozt sound like guys who’s favorite bands were Professional Murder Music and Factory 81.

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        • @WURST, i vaguely remember the red shit with the eagle…matter of fact i think it was attempted a few times and reverted back to the black and blue for whatever reason, and when it did stick it did not stick very long before this layout was done. I don’t know why, but the red eagle one reminded me of Wolfenstein for some reason…

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    • Anyone else pick up Bamboo Parachute oh so many years ago? The fact we’re buying up spoken word poetry is a testament to this bands grasp. From Teething to Leathers, I’ll follow this band anywhere

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        • wearesorta138     November 7, 2012 at 10:39 am

          Ha, Phallucy. I remember it’s reissue. When I got it it had a massive stain on the sleeve and a note mentioning how Abe or someone had spilled beer on it.
          New album wise…the review just increases the lust for it. Uno mas week-o.

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      • Jenkem Dealer     November 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm

        I bought Bamboo Parachute at one of their shows years ago. I listened to it one time, thought it was weird as hell and put it away to never listen to again. Now I am happy I own something that was so close to Chi’s heart considering his condition.

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    • Christ, I feel like I need about ten Xanax to calm down my excitement for the new album. I saw them on their first tour and I’ve followed ever since – and I am so bonered that they are in such top form after so long. I flew to IA to Knotfest and these guys were absolutely killing it – and it was a festival where I think it’s hard to get that vibe. I was beside myself with the level of ass kicking being dealt out (and just like all you, I’m a cynical asshole). The two new songs I’ve heard (Leathers and Tempest) are some of the best I’ve heard. Like the dude above said – from Teething to this – Deftones have been getting better with age but there were a couple years where the vintage was a little off.

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      • Poltergeist into Entombed is certainly my current “moment” on the album…the whole thing is incredible, and i actually find it to be a bit heavier than Wook is letting on, but maybe its the sheer tone of the guitar, its just warm and dense. The production on this goes beyond anything they’ve ever done before, and i think its more attributed to the ambiance going on in the background, its just chock full of new things to hear each listen.

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    • DeadHearts     November 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm

      Its easily a better piece of work than Diamond Eyes. Overall its beautifully melodic and groove driven. Heavy at times but could also be described as their “Softest” effort to date but true fans of the band that have been with them for so many years with will very much appreciate what they hear in the end. “Entombed” is the stand out track for me.

      -White Pony (5)
      -Around the Fur (5)
      -Koi No Yokan / Saturday Night Wrist (4.5)
      -Deftones (4)
      -Diamond Eyes (4)
      -Adrenaline (4)

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    • Great review, wook. For years it’s been clear how many people on this site love the deftones ,including you. I like reading all prp reviews but the deftones ones are always special and they’re clearly written from the standpoint of someone who knows what went into each album. Can’t wait to get it!

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    • So far I’m really impressed by this album. The guitar work is a lot different than anything they’ve ever done. You can tell that Chino was behind the axe a lot more on this one. The intro of Goon Squad sounds like it would be more of a closer to the album as opposed to What Happened To You, I find the song doesn’t hit that mark with me. I was expecting something like This Place is Death or Pink Maggit for an album closer, just sayin’. Overall the albums awesome, looking forward to seeing them in Dallas next week.

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    • coolguy2424     November 7, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      I would love to see a Radiohead/ Deftones tour in the future. Kid A and White Pony were similar records sonically speaking. Perhaps Thom Yorke could sit in during 7 Words. The new record is a fucking beast. The Deftones have outdone themselves with this one. This music is the emotional equivalent of total blissed out happiness. This is another level type shit. Live long and prosper Deftones…..

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    • Relentless_Beating     November 7, 2012 at 5:41 pm

      Got the leak today, and it’s a good one. Wouldn’t put it ahead of Diamond Eyes, and it forsure doesn’t touch the new Converge, but great in it’s own way.

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    • Beardsly McHavenone     November 7, 2012 at 6:15 pm

      Really like the album so far. It feels similar to D.E. in that it feels like a driving album. Just roll down the windows, hit play, and go.

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    • Just finished.
      Wow. That was a trip.
      It takes a less in your face approach in favor of more intensely flavored constructions.
      It’s atmospheric, it’s meticulous and at times it’s blissful and surprising.
      Vocals and guitars have some new and intriguing stylistic extensions on top of what one has grown to love.

      Tasteful.
      Compared to Diamond Eyes?
      In my opinion Diamond Eyes is more imposing, in lack of a better word, whereas Koi No Yokan is more strongly flavored because of the above mentioned stylistic extensions. Can’t really say which one I like better, but
      Shit, this is a good album!

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        • Jenkem Dealer     November 8, 2012 at 1:48 pm

          I agree with those 4 tracks being my favorites. Also like Goon Squad, Rosemary, What Happened to You and even Tempest has grown on me.

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        • Tempest grew on you? always interesting hearing differnet perspectives, Tempest was love at first listen for me, and still holding strong at one of the top songs on the album for me. Favorite songs change by the day on albums like this though, i’ll notice some neat thing that i didnt notice before and the whole thing shifts.

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        • The production on this album is beyond sick. I say we all throw down a few bucks and buy Raskulinecz a hooker to show our appreciation.

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    • If this doesn’t get awarded album of the year then I will go out and buy ATR’s new album. I’m going out right now to buy a 12 pk of BL Platinum and toasting to every single song. With the remaining beer I will toast to thePRP.

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      • tenwestchaser     November 8, 2012 at 12:54 pm

        Good music demands good beer, dude. Not sure what part of the country you’re in, or if even in the states, so no idea what’s available to ya. I recommend almost anything from Rogue because they have pretty great distro so finding some should be easy. Dead Guy is a great place to start if you’re used to only drinking the piss water that the big 3 call beer. I know you didn’t ask but that just hurt me to read lol

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        • Well, I’m not a beer snob. I will drink pretty much any beer except for a select few which disgust me. My whole object last night was to get hammered and the first thing that came to mind was Platinum. I like to drink 12-15 beers when I know I’m in the “party” mood. So I mainly stick with light beer with low alcohol %. I failed my objective because instead I grabbed a 15pk of Miller Lite and only drank 8 of them. The only time I ever drink ML is on tap at the bowling alley so I don’t know what I was thinking. Needless to say if I drank 12-15 Platinums, I would of been passed out in a pile of my own puke.

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    • Great review, I’m loving this album so far. Not sure yet how it compares to Diamond Eyes. That will take a couple weeks to let it set in. Definitely a better album as a band, but god damn Steph’s tone and riffs on Diamond Eyes were just delicious! Swerve City should’ve been 5min, and prob. not the best for an opener on this album. Can’t wait to soak this one up some more. I love the new ‘tones renaissance!

      This will be the first album I’ll buy on CD since Diamond Eyes, and it’s a vinyl no brainer!

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    • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence     November 7, 2012 at 10:20 pm

      With all these Deftones boners, I can’t be the only one here that hasn’t thought of opening a cash cow strip club with strictly their music. Calling it the Deftones Denudes, complete with hot carling champagne rooms & a burly cocktail to set your ass out, called the Chi.

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    • I won’t know where this album falls on my list until the excitement wears off and I fully digest it but what I do know is that Koi No Yokan will stand on its own while not appearing out of place on the shelf next to any of the classics. These motherfuckers never cease to amaze me. Please Deftones, never retire. I beg of you.

      Nice review too wook. I always find it difficult to describe Deftones’ music, especially to non-fans. This was spot on. I rated 5 stars because this is one of their most complete efforts to date, each song is so textured and demonstrates a level cohesiveness among band members that I don’t think they’ve had since ATF…and also because this band makes me act like a giddy little girl.

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    • when I first listened to Diamond Eyes I had a smile on my face. I thought “yeah, finally another deftones album.” altough there are a few aspects I dont like on that one.
      my first impression of KNY is more of a “damn, this is a masterpiece”.

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    • best thing about deftones…

      they provide me with the ability to say, yea i remember seeing these guys on tour with korn back in the day, and actually feel pretty awesome about it.

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    • surroundedbydemons     November 8, 2012 at 11:27 am

      You can clearly hear the Depeche Mode influence but there’s also some of The Cure mixed in aswell. People tend to forget Chino is a huge Cure fan as he is of the others mentioned in DM and DD. There’s the mellow songs that is on all their albums but there is also the heavy ones with the melodic voice Chino is known for to bring fans of them another good album and don’t sell out like Korn or Limp Bisquick. It may not be another Around The Fur or even Adrenaline but they still stick their key sound and bring elements from all their previous albums onto this and the last one they did. If you’re a long time Deftones fan then you’d see this but people are so hung up on them not sounding like they did on the first two albums, they can never get past that particular sound…which you can’t really expect. They have to develop their sound and can’t sound the same otherwise they’d sound repetitive like alot of other bands. This is what you have to do to keep the material moving forward and not backward. Atleast they aren’t trying to sound like something they once were which is process of being creative.

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    • CaptainCream     November 8, 2012 at 1:39 pm

      Let me start by saying I’m one cynical muthafucka. I always expect the worst. All I can say is oh god oh god OH GOD I’m cumming!!! This album is such a masterpiece. They suprised the fuck outta me with this. Chino seems, well the whole band seem very confident in what they put on this album. Very different, but sooo damn good. Swerve City is how every album shoul start!

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    • I’m definitely the minority here, so hopefully you can respect my opinion.

      This album is definitely good and will probably grow on me (favorite song so far is Leathers), but after listening to it three times I’m just not ‘loving’ it like the rest of you. My musical taste has evolved a lot over the years but I guess not so much in the direction they’re going.

      For me Around the Fur and and White Pony are classics and completely timeless, but I truly have only ‘liked’ their albums since.

      Glad you all like it though.

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    • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)     November 8, 2012 at 5:23 pm

      In my opinion it’s a 4 star album, probably in my top 10 of the year but not top 5, but I’m calling it now, no other album this year has impressed me as the new Converge, definitive 1 because album season is almost over.

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      • My Farts Linger     November 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm

        Converge are awesome. They are extremely talented musicians. I just, for the life of me, can’t get into the vocals (and believe me, I’ve tried).

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        • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)     November 10, 2012 at 11:06 am

          I’m actually new to Converge. All we love we leave behind was the first album by them I’ve listened fully, I just love it so much, I can understand how you don’t like the vocals, but to each his own I guess. In no way am I putting this album down, It’s a great album no doubt, I’m just not going crazy over it like you guys are, and I’ve only listened to it twice in the same day. Maybe it will get better maybe it will stay the same.

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        • Sorry, but first, I have to mention that your grammar is abominable in these two comments.

          Also, Converge’s latest albums have a somewhat familiar vocal style, but when I first heard Jane Doe, I couldn’t get into the vocals. It took actual effort to get into, and it definitely paid off.

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        • I completely agree with My Farts. I will never understand how anyone can enjoy Converge’s vocals. They sound like my farts. Horrible.

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    • SpinSwimScream     November 8, 2012 at 9:53 pm

      Koi No Yokan is a great album through and through. It’s not one of those albums with a bunch of fillers and a few good songs to hold it together. From front to back it is completely solid, with every song having a purpose and feeling like it should be a part of it. It only feels natural to start all over again right after you finish it. Seven flawless, unique albums down and hopefully many more to come! And I have to say the bass lines are smooth. I can’t wait to learn these tunes.

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      • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence     November 9, 2012 at 6:09 pm

        Haha nice. I see why people troll now.
        In all seriousness, the record is great. I prefer my deftones energy level to be all over the map like my favorites- “Diamond Eyes” and “Around the Fur.” This one is a little more on the mid-range level.
        It’s kinda beneficial to read things on reviews like the singer getting married, because it helps to become aware of how things shaped up the way they did. Listening to this last night, it sounds like Mr. Moreno is extremely happy. Sometimes artists make their most wholesome work when they’re in a state of bliss, some when they’re heartbroken and conflicted.
        I suspect this album will stay at the bottom of my deftones list, but I may be able to identify with it more at a later time. Who knows.
        But, the deftones bottom is sure higher than most bands’ top.

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    • Ok this is a solid album for sure, and Chino’s Clean vocals are some of the best I have heard. This album, also some amazing mellow songs on the album. My problem is on the heavier parts of the album it falls flat to me, kind of anticlimatic in my opinion. Don’t get me wrong the the music is solid, but i thought the album could of used not alot, but a few more screams .

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      • Jenkem Dealer     November 9, 2012 at 11:13 am

        I actually agree with this. If I could find one criticism it’s that there’s almost no screaming on the album besides Leathers and Goon Squad. But honestly Leathers is one of the best Deftones songs I have ever heard and almost entirely makes up for a lack of screaming on the album.

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        • Daniels0719     November 9, 2012 at 5:34 pm

          Andrenaline is sick but production is awful and 7 words is soooo fuckin played out! Fireal is the highlite and I love birthmark but I love the diversity the other albums have.

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        • Relentless_Beating     November 9, 2012 at 6:31 pm

          Fireal is one of the best songs ever written. Next to Minerva, this is my favorite song.

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        • wait, soo played out? being played out would insinuate you’ve heard it multiple times. and being that it is off the first album, of-fucking-course it’s played out. if you’re tired of hearing it, so be it, but i wouldn’t down rank the album due to your actions. i’ve heard ‘my own summer’ probably a thousand fucking times but i wouldn’t degrade it because of that

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        • Gotta agree with Mr. Daniels on Adrenaline. Loved it and listened to it all the time when I got it 15 years ago but it hasn’t stood the test of time too well. Fireal and Birthmark are the definite exceptions, but yea 7 words blows hard.

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        • Relentless_Beating     November 9, 2012 at 10:18 pm

          Seriously, this Adrenaline at the bottom stuff is complete bullshit. Actually, fucking idiotic. Wahhh the sound wasn’t that good. Wahh! Grow a fucking set people.

          And to the idiots that say it’s cause it was their nu metal album, you should just bounce your face off a cement wall a few times. Adrenaline was and still is the most aggressive album from that time frame of horrible music that was happening. Even with the fact they came out during the nu metal scene, just listening to that album you could always hear that this wasn’t a band that was just going to disappear. They had something, and it all started with Adrenaline.

          Some people are seriously unappreciative fuckheads. Adrenaline goes no lower then 3 for me. It’s a toss up between that and White Pony. Depends on the day.

          Around the Fur
          White Pony/Adrenaline
          Diamond Eyes
          Deftones
          KNY
          SNW

          SNW is the only album that misrepresents what and who the Deftones are. It is shit. And I’m glad I never had to hear Ero’s, cause if they scrapped it, it was probably even worse.

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        • Daniels0719     November 10, 2012 at 6:18 am

          Rent less beating, is this Fred durst? You seem angry for no apparent reason. I promise it’s ok.

          By the way deftones were around before nu metal jack ass.

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        • FarBeyondDriven     November 10, 2012 at 7:17 am

          Saying it is Nu Metal is not a slight… Adrenaline was a part a the birthing of Nu Metal… It helped kick open the doors for the new metal flood. I understand the cringe you feel associating it with such a bad word because of the connotations, but when it is part of the origin it is not a bad association. The bad connotation of Nu Metal comes from all the poser bands that hopped on the scene just for the cash in… just like what happened to grunge.

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        • Adrenaline is numetal and I wouldn’t give two shits, a fuck or a dried pube about that. It was the best album the numetal genre had to offer. It was raw, aggressive, innovative and encompassed everything I could have possibly wanted in an album at the time. It’s brilliant. I feel sorry for anyone who can’t find beauty in the rawness.

          SNW is the worst. You can almost hear the band bickering throughout the thing. I will often pluck out individual songs that I want to hear from that album but as a whole, it’s a very awkward listen. SNW and S/T (though I enjoy both) are the only two deftones albums I don’t listen to all the way through.

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        • Relentless_Beating     November 10, 2012 at 8:08 am

          @daniels0791 hmmm you must not be very good at reading. I believe I posted why I was angry, and I’m not sure what the origins of the Deftones have to do with my comment, but thanks for the history lesson on one of my favourite bands ever. Had no clue, til now.

          @FarBeyondDriven since your comment actually seems like you read mine, but just misinterpret, I’ll explain. I’m not saying anything against the Nu Metal pigeonhole, what I was trying to say was the people saying Adrenaline doesn’t do it for them as much cause it seems too nu metal for them, is retarded.

          I went back last night and listened to Adrenaline as loud as I could, and fuck, what a jawdropper. Man, some of those songs are just unreal. And when the whole band comes in a on a part, it’s just an explosion of uncontrolled rage.

          To me, the Deftones are the only true survivors of the Nu Metal wave that happened.

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        • FarBeyondDriven     November 10, 2012 at 9:50 am

          Relentless Beating,

          I was not responding to you… you are exactly right. I was replying to Daniels0719, I should have specified. Good post! That is why in my earlier post I separated Adrenaline from all else that is Deftones, it deserves it’s own place… It was mind blowing and powerful…landmark (for me anyway)

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        • Relentless_Beating     November 10, 2012 at 2:42 pm

          @They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence, you brought nothing to this conversation, but a list of bands that had nothing to do with the genre we are discussing.

          @FarBeyondDriven, Landmark is pretty much the best way to describe it.

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        • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence     November 10, 2012 at 5:17 pm

          ..time frame of horrible music.. sounded like a generalized genre-less opinion.
          The way you feel about people tossing “Adrenaline” on the bottom is how I feel about disparaging SNW remarks. “Mein” and that rats one are the only tracks I skip over, I dig the rest a lot. It’s just amazing they have material that’s important in so many people’s little lives.
          But no biggie, can we still be friends?

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        • Relentless_Beating     November 10, 2012 at 6:34 pm

          @They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence, my apologies that it was a hard concept to grasp.

          Sorry, I don’t make internet friends, I prefer mine to be real life. ;)

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        • SpinSwimScream     November 11, 2012 at 7:37 am

          @Relentless, Just because Adrenaline is the first doesn’t mean it always has to be the best. Maybe some of us would agree with you if we didn’t play the hell out of that album. Plus, some of these people probably didn’t even start listening to Deftones until a few albums later. Is that’s the case, then it’s just not the same.

          @Macaroons, Great reference to Acid Bath. I loved that band. It’s very rare that I meet anyone who knows about them.

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        • Daniels0719     November 26, 2012 at 4:00 pm

          It’s been a minute but I’m back. I’ve actually hate the deftones and love 7 words! Long live disco and ABBA is god!

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    • This is the ‘tones most mature offering to date. I’ve listened to it about 5 times through thus far and every time I am convinced more and more that with this release they may have one of the best discographies to pick from for a live show. I love adrenaline and around the fur, but the tones are out of that phase and have matured into something bigger…

      However I’m stoked that a band could play a song like entombed and then play one like engine no.9 and 7 words…and that’s why the Deftones are the most relevant hard rock band in the industry today…

      Even better this just shows they have no plans of slowing down either…see ya in Hollywood on the 21st. They are going to murder it.

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    • NewWorldAbernathy     November 10, 2012 at 10:17 am

      Moving Swerve City to the first track slot totally killed the album for me. Poltergeist was obviously the intended opener, even has the structure of an opener. Wonder if that was another brilliant studio decision.

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      • Pretty sure Poltergeist was supposed to be the opener and should have been. Although that would have set the pace for a rather heavy outing. Which KNY is not. That could have been why they changed it to Swerve City. But my god, love that fucking song.

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      • Jenkem Dealer     November 14, 2012 at 7:00 pm

        I disagree. I think Swerve City is a great opener with that pounding riff and melodic chorus. It gets your attention. Plus it’s such a short song compared to the rest of the album that it works as a good intro.

        I also like the decision because I think Leathers flows into Poltergeist flows into Entombed perfectly. Honestly if any song besides Swerve City should have been an opener it should have been Leathers.

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    • Whew, long thread. I’ll throw my 13 cents in:

      Around The Fur
      White Pony
      Adrenaline
      Deftones
      Diamond Eyes/KNY
      SNW

      I’m 26. Got into Deftones a little late as I lived overseas. It wasn’t until The Matrix soundtrack – rest is history. At the ripe age of 12, Korn and Limp Bizkit were my tops. Then I heard “Be Quite And Drive” and it made me toss those guys out to trash. To me, this was the song that clearly set Deftones apart from everything else. This is the song that showcased the dynamic of what they do – Chino’s unreal melodic range on top of crushing guitars. I don’t know if there’s a metal way to say it, but fuck – it was a “pretty” song. Then for it to cut into “Lotion,” my favorite “rip your face off” song of all time – but same thing. That brutality countered by a soothing chorus, but musically, still rips.

      So we fast forward a few years. Just my luck, as I just got into them, they drop another album – White Pony. In Germany (army brat), MTV had a headbangers ball that didn’t come on till like 1am. I’d stay up all night just to catch “Change” and the “Digital Bath” videos when they put em out. A couple years later, I went to my first concert – A Perfect Circle opening up for Deftones on their European self titled tour. Why they didn’t play “Passenger” is beyond me. Anyways, I’m rambling.

      Who has the “Music In High Places” DVD? I bring that up because that was released during the White Pony touring years, and if you remember, that was when Chino’s vocal cords were just…done. Those screams we loved to hear in between the chorus or verse, those BRUTAL never ending screams had finally caught up. Watch live videos throughout those years AND that DVD and try not to cringe – it was really sad to hear Chino live. The outcome is now the “yelps” on songs like “Rapture”, “Rats! Rats! Rats!” etc…Personally, it’s not something I want to hear from him.

      It’s clear that there’s a lot of passion for this band on the PRP. I, like the majority of you, miss the nostalgia of the old days. But damn, musicians age too. Koi No Yokan and Diamond Eyes make that evident. Chino has matured and for the better – he is focusing on his actual singing and damn its beautiful. It’s always been there, but christ, listen to these new songs! I just respect the fact that the majority of fans understand Deftones the way I do – they’ve been different from the beginning and they’ve evolved in ways the “other guys” never did – or never could.

      However, what I would give to go back in time to 98, and catch them at Bizarre Fest in Germany. It was 6 hours away from. Parents said I couldn’t go. Fml. Thank God for youtube right?

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    • damn (your mom's balls)     November 11, 2012 at 1:12 am

      The slow grooves on Diamond Eyes have always reminded me of Meshuggah’s Nothing album, and a couple of moments here too make me feel the same way. The first riff on Poltergeist is fucking sick, sounds like it could have been on the newest Meshuggah release. People will probably hate on this comment, but Deftones are a fucking djent band….. in the best meaning possible. Dude riffs his balls off.

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      • BecomesMyVeryShackles     November 11, 2012 at 8:59 am

        Considering I’m a Meshuggah nut, I’ll tell you that I thin you’re absolutely correct. The end of Diamond Eyes is huge Meshuggahian riff. I’m holding strong until Tuesday, but I keep getting amped up for this thing.

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    • Loving this album, def album of the year for me, and yes it just edged out Converge. I’m joining in this shit for the hell of it. Not a massive Adrenaline fan either. It was good, but not one of my favs. Also, as mentioned earlier, a deftones 6 or 7 still wipes most other bands. That was a great call! It’s awesome to see that a band who’s been around so long is still as exciting and vital as they ever were. With the exception of Converge, not many bands from that era can still claim to be killing it.

      White pony
      koi no yokan (probably here, time will tell)
      Around The Fur
      SNW
      Diamond Eyes
      Deftones
      Adrenaline

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    • Tortilla Man     November 12, 2012 at 7:38 pm

      Great album, not convinced that it’s their best work ever yet though. There is not a single song on this album that doesn’t deserve to be there. If you listen to anything else Chino has done such as Team Sleep or Crosses, you will fall in love with a CD like this that much more. There is enough heavy on this to make it authentically Deftones and it is a good counter to their last CD which I thought was on the heavier side. I would be somewhat disappointed if their next CD took KOI to the extreme, but at this exact moment in time and what they did with KOI… Great work. I just hope in 10 years they will be making music this relevant, because they have climbed up my ‘musical favorites’ into the top 5.

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    • fuck! this album is so good. I guess for me right now Leathers, Entombed, Rosemary and Goon Squad are my favs. Have listened to KNY at least twice a day since it’s release. Love it. I must say I’m also pretty stoked on how many comments there are. Generally positive, and peeps arguing about how awesome deftones are and this albums better than that etc can only be a good thing right?

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    • 4.5 outta 5. Best tracks for me upon a few listens are Romantic Dreams, Leathers, Poltergeist, ENTOMBED, Gauze & Rosemary… Will need a few more listens but this may beat Gojira’s L’enfant for Album of the Year for me.

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    • BecomesMyVeryShackles     November 13, 2012 at 11:11 am

      Am I the only user on here that doesn’t like Saturday Night Wrist? The one thing I love about the Deftones is each record has an overall feel or unified sound. Saturday Night Wrist is all over the map to me.

      By the way, I’m already loving this!

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      • Nope. I really didn’t like SNW. I didn’t like the self titled either though. The awesomeness of Adrenaline, ATF, White Pony, and Diamond Eyes easily makes up for those two duds in my opinion. Feel free to have a different opinion. Haven’t heard the new album yet.

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      • smartassboiler     November 13, 2012 at 1:53 pm

        I was not a fan when it came out, but I’ve been listening to it more in anticipation with this coming out, and I enjoy it more now than I did then.

        Koi No Yokan is an immediate love for me.

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      • Jenkem Dealer     November 14, 2012 at 6:53 pm

        I enjoy about half of Saturday Night Wrist. If it were released as an EP with Hole in the Earth, Rapture, Beware the Water, Cherry Waves, Mein, Xerces, Kimdracula, and Riviere as the tracks, I would call it a very solid EP.

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        • Personally, I would lose Mein and Hole in the Earth and add Combat.

          I agree with your general idea though. SNW would have been a better EP for sure.

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        • Lifeseclipse     November 15, 2012 at 6:18 am

          I think what everyone is trying to say is, “Pink Cellphone should have been on a Team Sleep album instead?” I’ve been listening to SNW along with KNY all week. I think Combat is the best song on that album, with the most painfully drawn out intro. Mein is a pretty boring track. I think they relied on the starpower of Serj too much in it. But it might have something to do with, I fuckin hate system of a down. Anyways SNW and KNY sound very similar to me. Like these guys spent all their free time listening to “Water and Solutions.” Leathers is one of the best songs they have ever written.

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    • Deftones fan since right after Adrenaline came out — think the first time I saw them live was at The Shelter in Detroit with Handsome opening for like $3? (awesome show; that lone Handsome album is such an overlooked gem and one I still listen to). Anyway, kind of lost interest during the self-titled and SNW years, but Diamond Eyes strongly rekindled it and I’ve been listening to Deftones more since then than I ever have, probably too much. Anyway, there’s my longtime listener/not first time posting preamble.

      Just to throw my two cents in, after about five listens through Koi No Yokan I have to say that up to and including Tempest the first seven songs of this just totally floored me. For whatever reason Gauze, Rosemary and Goon Squad aren’t “hitting” for me and feel like they’re dragging some, which isn’t to say there aren’t positive aspects in each tune; they’ll just have to hopefully be growers. All in all, though, love it — Swerve City really gets me.

      I never do this, but will play the ranking game just for shits and giggles:

      White Pony
      Diamond Eyes
      Adrenaline
      Koi No Yokan
      Around the Fur (has some of their best songs, but also worst)
      Self-Titled
      Saturday Night Wrist

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    • NewWorldAbernathy     November 16, 2012 at 11:12 am

      Well other than the first press releases showing Poltergeist was the opener, If you listen to other deftones albums the first track always sort of had a slow build into it, even if its brief, Swerve City just starts up and really sounds more like an interim track that a ton setter, its structure is also fairly simplistic where as Poltergeist demonstrates what the band wanted to do with this record, which is add more parts to the songs, in the past, you could pretty much figure out a deftones song after the first 30 seconds, that isn’t the case here. SC is probably the weakest song on the record, with its lame recycled boring nu metal riffage. The melody parts are really nice, but other than that, its an average track where as Poltergeist is up there with Hexagram, My Own Summer, and Hole in the Earth as classic Deftones opening tracks.

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    • Damn this album is so freaking good! I keep trying to pick a favorite song but everytime I listen to the next track I fall in love with it. There’s no filler on this album, even Diamond Eyes had a few filler songs. Amazing that they keep evolving and getting better. More proof that talented bands should never be afraid to break their own mold and spread their wings. *****

      My album list:
      White Pony
      Around the Fur
      Koi No Yokan
      Diamond Eyes
      Adrenaline
      Deftones
      Saturday Night Wrist

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    • NewWorldAbernathy, you seem to be experiencing some serious emotional issues with the album sequencing — it’s going to be okay, promise. Therapists can help you with this sort of thing, or alternately you can just, like, resequence it yourself on your iPod — and even remove the “lame nu-metal” of Swerve City altogether. Hang in there, buddy.

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    • This album brings to mind one of my favorite excerpts from a book – “The night sky lies so sprent with stars that there is scarcely space of black at all and they fall all night in bitter arcs and it is so that their numbers are no less.” Blood Meridian.

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      • Sweet Jesus, the day hath cometh that I see my favorite author and all time favorite book quoted to describe a release from my favorite band on my favorite site. Blood Meridian is a masterpiece. Surly, the light in which I read your posts is forever altered. My copy is littered with highlighted passages – and since this is a Deftones post, I have restrained myself from riffing on them. Did you watch the two Yale lectures on BR on youtube?

        As for the new album – I need to get over my longing for the album to be heavier. I appreciate the quality and focus. I am still taking it in and I really need to get a copy of vinyl to really experience it.

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    • All this chatter about Poltergeist being the opener instead of Swerve, and that Swerve is a bad opening track. Swerve City reminds me a lot of Feiticeira in how it’s kind of a ‘jittery’ song – and also Hole in The Earth of how it opens with a pop, and in terms of setting the mood. It would have been a waste to have Poltergeist as the opening track, and who can complain about the one-two punch of Leathers into Poltergeist, fucking rad shit.

      Having Poltergeist opening the album would have been similar to prematurely ejaculating.

      The album as a whole is pretty great, somebody mentioned the album closes on a low note, I forget the song name, but it’s for sure the weakest song on the album. I’m not sure yet where it fits in on my personal Deftones list, but right now its below Diamond Eyes, White Pony and Around the fur —–but better then SNW, S/T, and Adrenalin.

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    • Lifeseclipse     November 25, 2012 at 6:04 am

      My cousin and I get together every year a Deftones album comes out (he lives pretty far from me) and I stay for a week while we jam and talk about the album. (vacation) I see people ranking the albums on here. We just math it out and as long as you are honest with yourself it works pretty well. 5 star system, NO half stars.

      5 = Incredible Standout Track
      4 = Great Song
      3 = Ok Song (would press skip to get to better songs)
      2 = Better as a B side (Pink Cellphone is the only track I have given this to)
      1 = Bad Song (LOL, yeah right)

      Add Stars, divide by number of tracks (hidden tracks included), and round off the 2nd number after decimal point. Use your heart for those tie breakers(I had to). You’ll get something like this…

      Around the Fur – 5
      White Pony – 4.66
      Adrenaline – 4.63* (Because Root and Birthmark are supreme)
      Deftones – 4.63
      Diamond Eyes – 4.54
      Koi No Yokan – 4.18
      Saturday Night Wrist – 4

      See if you agree with yourself. Have fun with it.

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      • My Farts Linger     November 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm

        Looks like all of those Deftones vacations with your cousin really paid off. For how many years was this rating system in development?

        I can only imagine how many loads the two of you rubbed out together. Good times with family.

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        • WorsnopLoverXEX     November 26, 2012 at 11:38 pm

          King of pop > sounds of an evil, super computer. And I love Meshuggah but MJ was the biggest star in the world for 12 years. Then 1992 happened……..and then nothing else happened until his death. Nothing at all.

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        • Lifeseclipse     November 27, 2012 at 6:04 am

          So since popular must equal “good” are you guys saying that Beiber and Katy Perry are also better? Get serious guys. The guy danced and sang like a woman, and as far as his songs, he wouldn’t be dick without Quincy Jones. Nickleback is more popular than Animals as Leaders, are they better? Don’t be stupid.

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        • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence     November 27, 2012 at 7:35 am

          One does not simply dance better than MJ.
          (Unless it’s Jessica Biel in”Powder Blue”)

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        • WorsnopLoverXEX     November 27, 2012 at 8:02 am

          The second Meshuggah makes ANYTHING that touches Off The Wall, THRILLER and Bad, we will talk.

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        • Lifeseclipse     November 27, 2012 at 10:27 am

          What is this buttfuckery??? The short of this debate is: I’ve been called “gay” by a person who idolizes a man made infamous by scandals in which he touched young boys dicks.

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        • Who said anything about idolizing someone? You brought up MJ. I just simply called you gay bro.

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        • Relentless_Beating     November 27, 2012 at 9:40 pm

          @WorsnopLoverXEX

          You are right, that whole little tiny grunge thing NEVER happened.

          BTW anyone heard this new Soundgarden band?

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    • Meshuggah has made albums that touch and beat all of Jackson’s stuff. Not dissing on MJ, but a lot of his appeal for folks was completely aesthetic, and had more to do with the choreography in his videos and the MTV nation of the time.

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      • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence     November 27, 2012 at 9:25 am

        *goes into Patrick Bateman styled MJ rant:
        1st off, how the hell can you compare Meshuggah to MJ?
        And 2nd: Aesthetic and choreography? Are you nuts? Michael Jackson forged more hope, tolerance, and inspiration than 20 presidents combined. Have you seen those crowds at his shows that are all crying in the front rows? MJ is one of a handful of diamond status artists because, like all of us know, music communicates and cuts through all barriers, and he got/gets hrough to billions with positive messages.

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        • WorsnopLoverXEX     November 27, 2012 at 11:37 am

          MJ had some of the best songs ever recorded. Insane hooks and catchy as shit. Not the music from the industrial level of Halo.

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        • wearesorta138     November 27, 2012 at 8:29 pm

          AHHH HA HA HA!!! Dude…that was brilliant. A thumbs up cause the digital age has yet to allow me to toss you a cold beer over the board.

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    • I still for the life of me cannot understand why everyone is so in love with White Pony. Can someone please explain this to me? Honestly I think that it’s probably my least favorite Deftones album. But back to Koi No Yokan – I like this one a lot. It reminds me of the self-titled album more than anything though; especially with Leathers and What Happened to You? sounding so similar to Hexagon and Minerva respectively.

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      • I’ll get shit for this, but White pony isn’t my favorite as well. Yes it did take them into a differant direction, yet some of the songs Chino’s vocals were off key in a bad way. White pony has some of their strongest songs, but also have some of my least favorite songs. I don’t get all the Adrenaline hate myself. Sorry, but i’ll take Adrenaline all day over White pony.

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