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As I Lay Dying’s Tim Lambesis Speaks On His Arrest And Current Mindstate In New Update (Updated)

As I Lay Dying‘s Tim Lambesis has given what appears to be his first public comments since his early May arrest for allegedly attempting to hire a hitman to murder his estranged wife Meggan Lambesis. Speaking through his official Tumblr, Lambesis made the below post titled “What I Can Talk About”:

“I’ve come across many comments, both private and public, asking me to explain more about my case or to explicitly state what my current worldview is.

First, I simply am not allowed to do either of those things.

Some day I will be able to tell the story of all that has happened in detail to get the facts straight and representing the many sides to this fairly complex story. In the mean time, many of you will make your assumptions and take the sensationalism of the press focusing on selling points at face value.

I can’t stop that from happening, and I’ve learned something by not having that kind of control. The people who want understanding will wait until the formalities and trials are done. Strangely enough, those type of minds are the people least likely to be judgmental even if I am found guilty.

Those reporting from the courtroom will only pass along select facts and the case itself will only require select facts that do not encompass the entirety events. On the other hand, the seemingly larger percentage of people delight in voicing their opinion even though I personally have never said a word about even a single detail related to my case.

Unspecific to me, that is a terribly sad reality greatly in contrast to the type of discussion I intend to start by choosing to post again.

Second, all I have the ability to do right now is keep learning.

By posting again I hope to attract people like me who are willing to look at all sides of a philosophical issue to learn before they speak. In fact, I’d be happy if this whole thing was just a way to recommend further readings to each other.

However, I do accept that there will be some true geniuses who will try to turn each comment section into what topic they would like to discuss instead as if they created the original post and we all stumbled on their page.

I’m out on bail, but on house arrest. My family has jobs and the ability to run errands or take an afternoon/evening out. I have the unique opportunity of being able to focus and study like I may never have again in life after this. While I can’t say that I always enjoy it, it is more valuable than I originally acknowledged.

Lastly, while I can’t say exactly what it is I believe epistemologically or metaphysically, I can explain what I’m interested in learning.

I grew up in a Christian home and held that belief myself for many years. In the process of sincerely trying to defend that belief in a scholarly way and shortly after finishing my degree, I felt that it was unreasonable to call myself a Christian in light of the evidence.

Many AILD fans picked up on the not-so-subtle hints at my worldview change in a couple songs on Awakened. It was never really hidden. Anyway, after my incarceration I found myself re-evaluating topics that I had previously sworn I would never waste my time looking at again.

Many can chalk that up as one point for pure boredom in an isolation cell, or you can look at it providentially as the needed circumstance and only possible way to get me to humble my mind.

Either way, I don’t want to just read aimlessly. These daily lists are a way for me understand what I’ve already covered and which topics I should get more material on to read more in depth. Since these lists are public, it is also a way for me to discover the ignorance of many people who post. To be most helpful, please stay on topic.

Today’s reading/research:

Is the Foundation of Morality Natural or Supernatural?
a debate by William Lane Craig vs Sam Harris at Notre Dame University

* transcripts available or you can watch the debate on YouTube”

Tim has been out on bail since May 30th and is next due to appear in court on September 16th.

Update – July 08th 9:07am:

Lambesis has since pulled the above-mentioned post, offering:

“There were a couple posts in a row about a book discussion and parts of the latter were reposted out of context (it was not a press release by any means). Given the possibility of words being twisted on other sites, all posts have been taken down.”

Comments

  • GOOGLECOUGARCHAMPION

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  • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)

    I had to discuss this topic in my debate class, my argument was if we believe that there is no heaven or hell how can the foundation of morality be based on the supernatural? if we have no fear of punishment after death.

    • 00LEONIDAS00

      That’s a very good point. I am in no ways a religious person but i do consider myself to be moral and have a strong ethical code. This is why I personally think the foundation of morality is natural. What is that natural foundation specifically? I have no idea. Im gonna watch that debate video though; maybe ill get something from that.

      • Aggroculture

        Morality is a social convention: how can it be natural, do lions have morality?

        We agree that killing is wrong, but also that there are exceptions (war, self-defense, execution, etc – hating your wife does not fall under these).

        Also, is Tim saying this whole business has made him a believer again?

      • BlueBalls

        I don’t know Aggro, it seems like you actually made a good argument in favor of morality being natural. Morality is a social/cultural thing. It’s something that we created, whether intentionally or unintentionally. It varies depending on the culture and has evolved throughout time. Look at all the crazy shit in the Bible. Slaves should always obey their masters. Rapists are entitled to their victims’ hand in marriage. At one time, that shit was considered honorable. If our moral guidelines were universal, preordained and passed down from some supernatural deity, they wouldn’t have changed so drastically throughout history.

        And yes, lions have a moral code. They may not be aware of it and it’s definitely not the same set of rules but there is a social order in the animal kingdom, especially among pack animals. They can also feel empathy, grief, etc. Any philosophical argument that can be made against the existence of animal morality can also be made against the existence of human morality.

        To me, the question isn’t about morality being natural or supernatural, it’s about the existence of morality and altruism. My thoughts: morality exists but only as a set of guidelines formed by the collective view of a society. In other words, it’s relative. Altruism doesn’t exist.

    • My Farts Linger

      Morality is a part (a crucial part) of evolution. Religion, spirituality, faith, etc. are NOT required for morality. See “The Moral Landscape” by Sam Harris.

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Ginger or Mary-Ann?

    I choose Yvonne Craig.

  • schuler

    Man. For a dude who seemed like a humble, honest guy for most of his career (at least to me), he’s managed to come off like more of a pompous jerk-off here than I ever would’ve thought he’d be capable while facing trial. Read up, Timmy, guess we’ll just never be on your level.

  • veil your eyes

    He’s a few insults and all caps lock away from being David Draiman

  • http://myspace.com/humboldtrock Buddy Baker

    He’s correct in saying his steroid usage complicates things. I’m not judging him in saying, that from a criminal justice point of view, he broke the law. Whether or not it was a product of drugs, he must be held accountable for his actions. Beyond that, there is not a whole lot complicating things; there is really no excuse for putting a hit out on her. Even if she had been threatening or violent herself, a normal person would call the police.

    So if Tim really does not want the public judging him, he would (when legally able) man up and say “I made a mistake”

    • star_AD

      Nail = hit. Couldn’t have been stated better dude.

    • schuler

      He broke the law by taking drugs that caused him to break the law?

      • http://myspace.com/humboldtrock Buddy Baker

        Hey, it’s his defense, not mine.

  • wereignsupreme

    Lambesis should stop waxing philosophical about his situation and start writing some music. Art through adversity right? I bet the music that comes out of this period would be pretty brutal and awesome.

    • Stereotypical Evil Archer

      TRIPLE BRUTAL! AAARRRGGGHHH!

      LUIS GUZMAN IS MY DEPUTY! AAARRRGGGHHH!

  • nickygoods

    You all sound like a bunch of pussies, please keep in mind that at the end of the day this is a rock/metal/hardcore forum so reframe from comments about morality moral compass bullshit! And debates! Anyone that looks at these comments are gonna get the wrong idea about us! Tight asses! Thrash til death!!!!

    • BlueBalls

      “Tight asses” isn’t much of an insult. I’m quite proud of my b-hole elasticity.

  • Mikabass

    Everyone knows the best way to redeem an attempted murder is through pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. I would love to see how having audio and video of Tim saying “yes I want my wife dead” then handing over $1,000 dollars to a undercover cop could be a mistake! this aint a episode of seinfeld here it’s real life. Man up Tim and say yes I was trying to kill my wife, being in a metal band had no effect on my actions, I made a mistake in judgment over rage and except my punishment.

    • schuler

      This.

  • 78Players

    Fairly complex? Was she going to kill him? What other explanation could he have that warrants him the right to request that his fans not judge him until he has a chance to justify a murder for hire plot? He tried to have his wife killed and it is recorded. Who gives a shit about his take. His wife could have been the most maniacal beast but that doesn’t mean she deserves to die. I think I am going to delete all of their music now. Disgusted

  • James Deceit

    What really happened was Tim’s Arnold obsession was taking over and he just wanted to put a bullet in her like Douglas Quaid did to Lori Quaid.

    “Consider that a divorce!”

    • Lifeseclipse

      Aww man, you spilled “lame” all over my shoes!

  • seguraMode

    We’re all confused as to why were on this floating rock and we all like to philosophize about it. What a sniveling load of post prison paragraphs. Who the hell calls in a hit with the assistance from someone at their gym? Rather than calling one in just take one financially and bang her friends. Silliness man.

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