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Machine Head’s Robb Flynn Ponders The Bands Next Move, Says He “Will Never Buy Another Physical CD Again”

Machine Head vocalist/guitarist Robb Flynn has revealed that writing for the bands next album is due to begin in the next week or two. He spoke ont he bands plans while also sharing some thoughts on the music industry as a whole via his journal series over at Machinehead1.com. An excerpt from that can be read below:

“No immediate tour plans, but we will officially begin writing this week or next. No one has really sat down and discussed where we’d like to go in depth, but we have talked about shorter songs (LOL). The last Ten Ton Hammer show we did in London really got us thinking about cool, short songs. In particular, “Postmortem” by Slayer seemed to really get our blood flowing.

We all talked about it afterward, how they managed to squeeze so many AWESOME riffs into 3 minutes and 28 seconds is just freakin’ mind-boggling (or as our drum tech Mudbilly says, “mind-bottling”). “Everlong” and “Sad Statue” were also cool nuggets of shortness (videos of us covering those songs are up on YouTube, check ‘em out).

Phil has told me he has some riffs, McClain e-mailed some cool riffs, I have some pretty awesome riffs tuned down to F that I’m stoked on… so, who knows where it’s all going yet, but it’s definitely starting to bubble. Can’t really tell where it’s all gonna end up, you can’t really plan that out, but that’s some of what we’ve been bouncing around.

In other news, we’ve successfully finished our recording contract with Roadrunner and are currently free agents. It’s an exciting time for us right now, the world is our oyster and we can dictate a lot of fair terms in exchange for our art.

There’s been a lot of talk as to what we should and/or shouldn’t do; the music business has changed dramatically since the last deal we signed for “Through The Ashes” back in 2003 (let alone our first deal in 1993), and what we’re looking for in a deal here in 2013 is different.

I used to be a staunch believer that the world isn’t waiting for a quickly-delivered Machine Head album, they’re just waiting for a great Machine Head album. And while I still believe that, in the 10 years between TTAOE, TB, and UTL, the world stopped caring as much about great “albums”.

People want great songs, and while great albums are appreciated, they don’t mean what they used to. People have been burned by too many lousy CD’s / albums / downloads. I know I have (the new Muse record blows, I LOVE that band, but the last 2 have been pretty meh).

Plus, if you’re making music these days, there’s a hell of a lot of chatter to cut through between Facebook, Twitter, gaming, movies, Instagram, YouTube, social everything, mobile everything… listening to an album front to back ain’t what it used to be.

Songs resonate more, it’s easier to get to the point. I don’t even want to listen to most albums all the way through anymore, most have too many songs / are too damn long. Gimme “Paranoid” ANY DAY – 41 minutes, 8 songs (one of which is a drum solo!), a masterpiece.

Gimme “Moving Pictures” – 39 minutes, 7 songs, PERFECT!! Remember when Slayer‘s “Reign In Blood” was so short you could squeeze the whole album on one side of a cassette?! The official Def Jam cassette had the whole album repeated on side 2 cause it’s 29 minutes!! People were up in arms, they actually felt ripped off.

Today, it’s regarded as a masterpiece.

Is anyone saying “man, I wish ‘Reign In Blood‘ had 9 more songs”?

We don’t need 19 songs and 72 minutes of music on a CD. And where would you even get most CD’s nowadays? Between my iPhone, iTunes, and Spotify, I just download or stream it, it’s too easy. I can say without a shred of doubt that I will never buy another physical CD again. Ever.

I have found so many new bands on iTunes and Spotify (I use the $9-a-month Premium version) it is absolutely incredible. The entire history of recorded music is at your fingertips, at all times. Sure, there are a few holdouts, but they’ll be on board within the year.

Even Metallica just hopped on the Spotify train. The world has gone streaming. It’s just too easy. Hell, I’ve found more new AND old bands on YouTube just surfing around than I ever have going to a record store.

And so we as a band ask ourselves a lot of unique questions about what we should do. I am absolutely not interested in selling CD’s first week of release for $16, $17 or $18 dollars/euros/pounds.

I’m not interested in selling CD’s at all frankly, though I realize people still buy and appreciate them… but hey, change is inevitable, especially in this business. Just like cassettes became obsolete, just like CD longboxes became obsolete.

I remember when people were pissed that we didn’t offer vinyl for “The More Things Change…“, and then really pissed when we didn’t offer cassettes for “The Burning Red“, and I mean PISSED about those cassettes! Does anyone miss cassettes now? Hell no.

And as I write this I’m thinking – as I’m sure many of you are – just how counterproductive the things I’m saying are. I mean, Machine Head are in the business of selling CD’s right? But at the same time, we’re in the business of making music, for people to listen to, however they want to.

We find ways to generate money to pay back the people who loaned us the money to record, to re-invest in our band, to make better records, to put on better light shows, to bring better sound systems, to keep the lights on at Machine Head, to live our lives, so that we can make more music.

We don’t want to get in bed with a bunch of corporate sponsors, we’ve already dabbled in that and it’s a nightmare, worse than the record companies. Who knows, maybe we’ll end up signing with a traditional record company after all, because there is A LOT of stuff that we’re just not interested in doing. Maybe we do something radical instead, I’ve heard a lot of great things about these Kickstarter projects, Amanda Palmer in particular has done amazing…

I don’t know where I’m even going with this. It’s part vent, part ramble, part trying-to-figure-it-out-as-I’m-typing. But in saying that, let me put it out to you: How do YOU want Machine Head’s music? Do YOU want a CD? Do YOU want a Spotify stream? Do YOU want the ease of an iTunes download? Do YOU want vinyl with that digital download?

Do YOU want a new/different configuration no one has thought about/offered? A guitar that plays the whole record through a USB plug? A calendar-sized booklet with nothing but a download code? Write me at TheGeneralJournals@gmail.com, post on our FB page, Tweet it to me, post a Blabbermouth comment, I’ll read it all.

Because to me, it’s all about making the best music we can, about striving to be better than the rest, not just good, but absolutely bad fucking ass. Making something so powerful, it can’t help but be heard. And frankly, that’s all that matters. The rest will sort itself out.”

Comments

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=511519516 Scott Jones

    “I don’t even know where I’m going with this.” Pretty much my thought while reading it.

  • Dax

    Do we really need more bands tuning down to F? Having said that, I’ll give it a fair lesson. I’ve been fans of these guys off and on since I saw them open for Obituary and Napalm Death – with Kontos on drums.

    • WURST

      Kontos was a slouch.

  • southpawchew

    He must not have a copy of new between the buried and me on cd.

    • MyDarkPassenger

      Im with Rob on this one. Why would anybody?

  • http://myspace.com/blessedwithoutaheart mouthEXPLOS1ON

    I havent downloaded a “single song” since napster days. I download and listen through whole albums and love doing it.

  • damn

    Rob Flynn is a tool bag. Why would you make a case for not buying cds when your band still sells cds? There is absolutley a valid reason for having a physical copy of music, you get the artwork. People work really hard on that shit and they are slowly being pushed out of a job because of the DL culture. I don’t understand why that isn’t of any value anymore?

    • Lern2Swim

      The real too bags are the people that can’t accept the reality of the world we currently live in. Your perception is skewed. The jobs “pushed out” because of dl culture would be found again in the new sectors created by that very same dl culture.

      Or… you could just continue to promote the idea that we should continue with the same idiotic throwback mentality that’s killing the old guard of the record industry. THAT, to me, seems like a tool bag way to think.

    • TheMediaProphet

      You can still buy a deluxe version of the album on iTunes with album artwork like I did Evan Brewer’s last album. Or you can buy a lot of albums on vinyl. I like a physical copy, but was pissed off when I drove to town and spent $4 more on a physical copy of the last Animals as Leaders only to have nothing more than a sleeve with a cd.

      • MetalMusicAddict

        “I like a physical copy, but was pissed off when I drove to town…”

        For me, I want a CD because of the sound quality over MP3s. Or at least sell FLAC/ALAC. I won’t buy lossy music. Every iteration of new music formats have been a step forward fidelity-wise. MP3s are a step backward.

    • http://www.myspace.com/decima916 Mikabass

      Well Fuck there goes my Tape Cassette winding business curse you Cd’s and your 16bits!!!!

    • MyDarkPassenger

      If you want art buy art. I can honestly say I’ve never longed to flip through liner notes a second time or buy a CD to see what artistic direction a band went in visually.

      The closest I’ve come is 10000 days but that was a mere novelty that wore out quickly.

      In closing, perhaps the “tool bag” is one who pays 15 bucks for liner notes.

    • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)

      The real tool bags are the ones that unnecessarily complain about the bands that they hate on every article about them.

      • damn

        Whatever man. So I’m a tool bag too, big shit. All I’m saying is the DL culture wears the disguise of making things more accessible and in almost every way it is, I just think there is more value in a physical copy. Often times you can get the cd cheaper than on iTunes or whatever also. Why would you still insist on downloading it in that case? I bought cannibal corpse’s new one last week for 8 dollars at the store. I rest my case.

        I was too hasty to hate on flynn’s rant. I agree with what he says about the culture nowadays being all about the song. Not many people take the time away from their busy lives and sit down to enjoy an entire album anymore. That is the way the band intended for it to be heard and distributed. You’re telling me converge’s music isn’t greatly enhanced by the artwork? You need a physical copy of that shit to experience it to its greatest potential. Call me a purist but downloading the artwork/liner notes ain’t the same fucking thing.

      • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)

        honestly the artwork looks better on a 1080p HD Iphone 5, but I see where you’re coming from, I like physical cds as well, I love the little booklets but guess what? those are going away. There were a handful of albums I bought in 2012 that didn’t come with a booklet which I thought was bullshit, and in my local FYE ( the only store in my area with a decent metal collection) all the cds were fucking 20 bucks. Slayer, Pantera, Sabbath ect.

    • My Farts Linger

      If the only artwork they can create/sell is on the front of a CD insert, they should probably consider a career change.

    • Temujin

      I couldn’t care less about artwork and other crap stuffed into a CD. I haven’t bought a CD in years, but I own a couple hundred. I probably never even opened the booklets for the majority of them.

      I only care about the music. Everything else is a waste to me. I don’t even look into where a band comes from, or their names or anything until after years of them being awesome.

      I just don’t care about any of that…

      I listen to music as much as possible, and have like 12000 songs on my mp3 player. I almost never listen to a full album, unless it’s something nostalgic like a band’s early CDs just to hear their old stuff. Otherwise it is various songs here and there, usually on a full shuffle of everything.

      Usually, when I find a band that has been out a while, and I get all of their albums at the same time, I will have no idea which album a song comes from when I listen to it and will never check into it.

      I agree with almost everything Rob is saying here. If I wanted artwork and other bonus crap I would buy it separately. If I wouldn’t buy it on it’s own, why would I want to spend a single cent for it…?

      I want to pay JUST for music, as I have absolutely no interest in anything else. I like having all my songs in one place, in my mp3 player and wouldn’t have it any other way.

      • damn

        It is strange to me that people don’t listen to full albums. I rarely listen to music at all if it isnt the whole album straight through. I can’t imagine listening to The Wall on shuffle. But to each his own.

        I do think that our culture is starting to suck though, with all of this immediate satisfaction bullshit. Patience is still a virtue even if the current generation has NONE whatsoever. Music is a fucking journey man, not a commercial on TV. Take your time when listening to it. The band took their time making it. Have more of a fucking attention span.

      • MetalMusicAddict

        For pop music, I totally agree with Rob. But for Metal, and underground music, whole albums tend to be stronger IMO. I mean christ. Last 3 MH albums have crushed start to finish.

      • wearesorta138

        @ damn: Not to sound like the cliche’ stoner but Pink Floyd on shuffle can be pretty neat. Wish You Were Here and Dark Side of the Moon melded together sounds pretty damn cool. This really works if you can get whatever mp3 jukebox thing you use to blend the songs at the last few seconds or so. These are two albums that are hard as hell (for me anyway) not to hit play and just let’em roll. However, all shuffled up kinda lends a bit of a surprise. Welcome to the Machine fading into Breathe swaying into Shine on you crazy Diamond (the first parts) is a very chill little combo.

      • damn

        Fair enough dude. I’m not saying shuffle is no way to listen to music, just that sometimes a band will make an album and intend for it to be heard in its entirety. Sometimes not. Jane Doe is filled with awesome songs you can listen to anytime of the day, but to hear the whole album from beginning to end is epic as fuck. Like I said, to each his own.

      • My Farts Linger

        Shuffle is for playlists.

  • TheMediaProphet

    More people to to accept the fact that tangible media is a thing of the past. We might see a drop in costs if companies no longer have to print and ship physical cd’s for those that still buy them. I had a hard time letting go of this myself, but after looking at my enormous collection of cd’s that have only been played once (while I ripped them into my iTunes) I realized it’s the way it is going. I prefer buying the vinyl as a collector’s item if I like the album enough. And I do believe all vinyl purchases should come with free digital download.

  • http://www.opticalfaze.com.br lunaticcheezo

    Looking forward to the day CDs will be seen the way vinyls are these days. If people are actually releasing CASSETTES again these days…
    I, for one, enjoy buying cds when they actually have something to offer other than the songs. Great artwork, bonus tracks, or any other sort of novelty. And i strongly disagree with Robb about albums. Bands won’t stop making full albums. Bands can’t tour over 1 or 2 new songs.

  • Dax

    The reason for a physical copy, especially vinyl, is the sound is superior to downloads – unless you’re going uncompressed. Some artists have embraced digital by releasing ultra high fidelity recordings (surpassing CD quality), but unfortunately that has very little presence with metal so far. Hopefully that’ll change soon. Hell, I just want a recording that has some real organic balls all over it – harder and harder to find.

    • TheMediaProphet

      A lot of bands are selling albums straight from their site with the option of downloading in FLAC. Usually they give you multiple formats with one price.

    • Temujin

      I can’t tell the difference between a CD and an mp3 99% of the time. Some mp3s are bad quality, but most sound just fine, to me anyway.

  • SFilthy

    Am I the only one that still listens to an entire album from start to finish? Start making great songs and you’ll have a great album, instead of one or two singles and bunch of filler….

    • TheMediaProphet

      It’s the main reason I listen to non-mainstream music. These guys can’t survive off of a single.

    • southpawchew

      Btbam deftones and levon helms cds have been in heavy rotation for me from start to finish.

  • Lifeseclipse

    Download cards won’t work in my car’s CD player.

    • TheMediaProphet

      They won’t be making CD players too much longer. And you can buy a radio with an aux input for $60. Or one with an SD slot, bluetooth connection and about 5 other ways of playing music.

      • Lifeseclipse

        CD players will still be around after I’m dead. I’m not worried.

    • SFilthy

      Buy a deck with a USB connection/Ipod adapter and and Aux input.

      • Lifeseclipse

        If I can’t just put a disc in a slot, it’s too much work. Fuck plugging something in and loading and unloading songs. Besides, your computer will always have to act as your middleman for that. I buy a CD, open it, put it in, listen to it. I’m too lazy to pirate music. And I hate the radio because I want to hear only what I want to hear.

  • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)

    Honestly ever since I have gotten spotify premium I’ve stopped buying cds

    • WURST

      Ever since I got Spotify Premium I havent downloaded shit, which for years was my primary source of music.

  • WURST

    I dont think Rob completely understands the listening habits of the metal community in general. I dont know any metal fans that listen to single songs from bands, they listen to and appreciate the album as a whole. The whole downloading/only listening to single or particular songs from a band is what fans of pop/rap/country music do, not metal fans. For the most part, most of us listen to the entire album.

    That being said, please continue to make albums as you always have, Machine Head. If it ain’t broke, dont fix it.

    • Lifeseclipse

      Write it on the calendar Wook… I agree with WURST.

      • WURST

        Haha, nice one, Lifeseclipse. That was good.

    • Temujin

      I’m the opposite… I’ve been listening to metal for 15 years, and bought a couple hundred CDs, but stopped years ago in favour of downloading.

      I rarely listen to an entire album. When they first come out I do because it is new, but after that it will get shuffled into the giant mix of everything or just everything by that artist. Other than new albums, the only time I would listen to a full album is an old one for nostalgia, like just to hear their old stuff or something…

      Individual songs could also allow a band to release music constantly. Like one song every week, like a TV show, and then take summers off.

    • southpawchew

      U sorta tapped on the second point of this article. I think it might be cool if machine head wrote some short killer songs.

    • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)

      any decent music fan will listen to an album in it’s entirety, it doesn’t lie within the fans of a particular genre, I know a couple of douche bags who downloaded the new Testament record only for the first 3 songs and didn’t bother to listen to the rest of ‘em. I have friends who are into hip hop and listened to the new Kendrick Lamar or Asap record in it’s entirety, and they listen to their albums from beginning to end.

    • zaodriver

      @WURST, I downloaded using random programs to accumulate a hideously large library. The funny thing is that I am going back and buying the entire catalogs that I downloaded because the CD has the easiest accessibly high quality sound. I listen to albums all the way through, especially epic albums like The Blackening. That is best appreciated as a whole. There are quite a few bands that make excellent albums. Deftones, BTBAM, Trivium had the Shogun CD, old Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Pig Destroyer, Zao, Textures, etc. The list goes on. Metal fucking kills for epic albums. bands can always pull a Meshuggah and go write “I” in between albums, but the epic album is the key to any CD and metal has a whole bunch of them. I will always think that metal albums thrive when there is a cohesive idea from front to back. Since musicians in metal are free to do whatever the fuck they want, the music can bring have highs, lows, fast, slow, panic, steady and still be brought within a single scope of thought. That is why I listen to CDs all the way through. Yes, some bands suck with that whole concept. Others kill with it. I really hope metal doesn’t transform into singles. That is just ass backwards. Metal is an idea, sometimes a whole fucking world, built around audio.

    • TheMediaProphet

      Wurst – from previous posts, I think you’re about the same age as me. What you typed applies to us, but musicians are now dealing with a new generation that may or may not appreciate the art of an album the same way us 90′s guys do. My son is now the age where he can buy his own music. He writes his own music, so he dissects the flow of albums and can appreciate the writing/mixing process, but most kids these days grew up downloading singles, so it’s a different breed of listener. Even in the metal community.

      • WURST

        Yes, we are about the same age. I still disagree though.

        Think about this, people download singles from artists because they hear them all over the radio/MTV. How many metal bands do you hear/see on the radio/MTV. I’m not sure where you live, but here in the Dallas area there are ZERO metal radio stations and there isnt shit on MTV. From what I’ve seen, metal fans of all ages still appreciate/listen to entire albums and not just singles. Metal fans have just never been ones to feed off singles and focus solely on them. I hope I explained myself properly, really tired.

      • G Scotty

        While i do realize that the youth of today are a different breed, i don’t think bands should cater solely to that, especially since us 30-somethings still buy the albums. I am someone who appreciates the epic story an album can unfold, its actually hard to NOT listen to something like Future Sequence all the way through. Im ok with in between full albums maybe dropping an EP to try something different or keep shit fresh, whatever. But lets not abandon the LP! Fuck these short attention-spanned bastards that cannot appreciate art in its entirety.

      • TheMediaProphet

        Sounds like you’ve got a cooler young crowd than we do here in Nashville. And you forget about internet radio such as Pandora, and things like YouTube. That’s the metal radio of today.

  • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

    No one ever talks about the day when mp3s/acc/flac become obsolete. CDs will be able to be played in 30 years, as where all of our awesome downloaded music will likely be lost or non-compatible with the future – do you have the songs you downloaded in 1998? 2001? We’ve all lost tons of great files. But with my albums and CDs, they will be around a little longer I think. —–

    Think of all the marijuana that won’t be broken over awesome LP’s, what a shame.

    • HoodooOperator

      Not only the marijuana, but the next time you meet a cool artist, try getting them to autograph your iTunes account!

      • TheMediaProphet

        Will you sign my iTunes gift card, Rob? It’s the on I used to download The Burning Red.

        Seriously though, I’ve taken every opportunity to have my concert tickets signed and I even got Ryan Parrish to autograph my vinyl copy of No Wings To Speak Of.

      • ethos

        If there aren’t tits in the future, I’m signing off of this planet right now.

      • MyDarkPassenger

        Autographs from bands are fairly stupid and completely worthless anyways. I worshipped them as a kid but in perspective they’re fairly JV.

      • Temujin

        Agreed! I used to like them too, until one show when I got 3 of the Mudvayne sigs on their LD50 tour. I walked away looking at it thinking “What the fuck am I going to do with this?”

        In the metal crowd, Mudvayne is relatively huge. Outside of the metal world, they are nobodies. Their autographs are worth like 50$ if I’m lucky. Does anyone actually sell them?

        Not likely, so instead it is all part of that celebrity worship bullshit. A signature is just a few notches up from buying their toe nail clippings.

      • HoodooOperator

        I agree. I feel the same way when I see sports fans wearing jerseys of players. Especially overweight, incredibly nonathletic slobs who couldn’t run down a court once without falling into pool of their own vomit. Beer chugging dipshits who celebrate a game played by millionaires who are doing the exact same thing that kids are doing at the park. It’s not only a worthless waste of time but it’s a clear sign that we haven’t evolved as a society since the Romans.
        However, if you’re a sports fan, all of these things…these worthless, money wasting, pathetic things…are fucking awesome to you! Why? Because you’re not thinking about the resale value of your jersey. You’re thinking about your team winning.Because you’re a football fan. I’m a music fan. So I think my signed Far Beyond Driven cassette is pretty sweet. But I suppose you could just pretentiously dismiss it as idol worship. And that’s fine. Because I still think sports fans are mindless, drunken dipshits.

    • dmoe

      Vinyl is great but it’s also a very specific collector market and will be around for a long time. The CD might get better with things like Blu-Ray discs or whatever else is lined up down the road to hold mich higher bitrates of sound. But the HQ sound from digital formats like AAC and FLAC is phenomenal. The ease of use is there for most everyone and the avenues of options is immense. Plus who doesn’t back-up their digital music collection? iTunes will allow you to re-download your music if you lose it. As with most places that offer digital means. So you have those options.

      I ripped my entire CD (Including come vinyl) collection to FLAC and it was easy as hell to do. I have a dedicated set od HDD’s just sitting there holding my entire bank along with a web back-up. It’s a great technological age to be a music lover.

      • TheMediaProphet

        Exactly. Isn’t digital music the dream of every music junkie? I had two huge books of CD’s stolen back in high school. Now I can listen to any of my 6,000+ songs at any time, in any place. No more trying to decide which cd’s to carry with me, and if my iPhone gets stolen, I can re-download them to my new one. Oh, and I just subscribed to iTunes Match – it’s awesome.

  • Fred Fred Burger (Darkdevout)

    Just because mainstream artists have singles doesn’t mean they don’t focus on making their albums great. Granted most of them do just focus on a catchy single and release shit *cough cough Kesha/Rihanna/Katy Perry cough cough* There are quite a few who release great records from top to bottom such as Kanye West, Jay z, newcomers like Fun. and Frank Ocean, but that’s why in my opinion is what makes spotify so great, in a way it’s bringing back the “album” Most of the time I like to listen to albums in full if not listen to a bunch of songs of an album in order and than switch to another one and do the same thing.

  • tenwestchaser

    Ya know what…I actually prefer CDs. Unlike a vinyl, I’m guaranteed a high quality download with my purchase of the physical product (I’m still sitting on a Birds In Row vinyl that has no digital copy, unless, of course, I want to buy it a second time. On iTunes.). I still get the artwork. Also, it’s usually CHEAPER than buying the album on iTunes. My question is…why WOULDN’T you buy a cd???

    Also, if you’re here on ThePRP you probably listen to things that are generally on the heavier end of the spectrum. Who’s listening to only a couple songs on a metal album? Isn’t heavy music one of the last bastions of great full length albums? Someone said it above me but hardly do I ever listen to just a song or two. Maybe I just have better taste and a vast majority of the bands I like still put out great albums with great songs front to back.

    While I’m at it…why do metal bands have “singles.” I use the quotes because it’s hardly a single if it literally never gets played anywhere outside of the people who are seeking it out. Radio and TV are far less kind to heavy music than they used to be. Circa ’92 MTV anyone???

    • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence

      Metal singles exist so they can be played on VH1′s Metal Mania in the year 2031.

    • TheMediaProphet

      I have yet to find a physical CD that’s cheaper than buying it on iTunes.

      • tenwestchaser

        Sucks for you dude. New Trash Talk was only $7.99 first day at Best Buy. I find used CDs constantly for anywhere between $2.50 and 7.99. I also pocked up several Defeater cds at the show here for 5 a piece. Plus most CDs are $10 or less on amazon. So, on average, the Amount I spend on CDs is, at the very least, the same as buying on iTunes. But probably cheaper. I say look harder?

    • Temujin

      The reason I don’t buy CDs anymore is because they divide my music up into too many places, and they take up too much room (I used to have like 200, but gave them to my brother when he turned 13 to welcome into the metal world).

      I listen to music every day, mostly metal. But I would say only a couple times a year would I actually listen to an entire CD start to finish (except for a new release).

      99% of the time all my music is shuffled together, and I just skip what I’m not in the mood for. Or sometimes I will shuffle up all songs from one band, or one specific sound. But very, very rarely do I listen to an album all the way through.

      For a band I just discover, that has several albums, I will end up getting all of their albums at once, and now have no idea which album each track is from, and I will never know because I don’t care. I got into Amorphis a while back, and I have no idea which track is from which album.

      I have no interest in CD artwork in the least. I love the songs, and keep the songs. The rest is all part of the disposable “peel”, or flashy packaging. The way they market songs to fans.

      Part of it could be that I also don’t generally listen to the lyrics. Which is odd because I am the singer of a metal band… If I really like a song, or a quote from a song, I will look into it, but otherwise vocals are just another instrument. Sometimes, with some angry metal, the lyrics are pretty retarded, but the song might be awesome (Surfacing by Slipknot comes to mind).

      I just love the music… the rest is bonus, or extra, or disposable…

      If I was rich, I would probably have a vinyl player, and get everything on vinyl. But I’m not, so I stick to what has worked amazingly for the last 5 years of my life.

      • Temujin

        Album covers are “translated” into the screen-display of decent mp3 players while they play. So I must admit I do like nice album covers…

  • HoodooOperator

    I can’t think of a better way to spend my day then record/cd shopping. I love it. Let me go to Telegraph Ave. in Berkeley and walk the 3 blocks between Rasputin’s and Amoeba Records. Hours. I would spend hours.
    And since I’m such an unrelenting music nerd I do this rad thing w/ my Instagram (my sole form of social media) called “Beginning To End” where I post what album I listened to from, you guessed it! Beginning to End that day. You also get an artsy photo of the album cover and other various album artwork.
    I mean, have you seen the packaging for Mike Patton’s “The Solitude of Prime Numbers”? Or Peeping Tom? So cool.
    I dunno. I love the smell of CD’s. I love opening my gatefold vinyl and putting it on top of my turntable, open, while it plays.
    Yup. Huge fucking music nerd. Downloading, Spotify, iTunes. It all seems so cold, lazy and impersonal. But that’s just one guys opinion. Music has always been there for me. The least I can do is show her that I appreciate it.

    • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence

      A+ extra credit
      I sniff each booklet, too. The Xmas August Burns Red is unique to other booklets, it smells of lovely cedar.

    • TheMediaProphet

      I agree with you, buying a CD has always been one of my favorite past times. Spotify etc, just allows me to learn about new bands. There are still bands that I insist on buying the physical CD. Deftones, BTBAM, Rammstein, a few electronic artists, Deadmau5,and some other metal artists. One thing I like about Spotify is I can preview an entire album before buying it. And believe me, I got ripped off plenty back when CD’s were $15 a pop.

    • Lifeseclipse

      I’m laying here in my hotel room with nothing but time. I read everyone’s shit to see how they see things. I come across this, and these weird visions of comparison start setting in…

      Going out and finding a new CD you like in a store is kind of like going out and shooting a deer. You fill your freezer with meat and hang a head on the wall.

      Downloading mp3s feels more like just buying meat in a store to fill the freezer and hanging a picture of the animal it came from up on your wall.

      Then my brain grabbed hold… So then going to a concert where one of the opening acts blew your mind, visiting them at the merch table and snagging a CD is like, getting lost in the woods with nothing but a knife. You track a deer and set a trap, stab that motherfucker to death and rub its blood all over your face.

      I love the blood of compact discs on my blades.

  • MARIACHI EL willX

    i say, wax with a free download for the nerds who love to hold. itunes for the average cat on the block (who can burn a back up copy if they so wish), and spotify or something like that for everything else.

  • http://www.myspace.com/undermineaustralia Bulletshock

    This is probably unrelated but my friend just told me about a web archive site. I looked up some of the old prp pages and found Rob Flynn’s top 10 of the year 2000.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20010208142521/http://theprp.com/bestof/machinehead.html

    On an even more unrelated note, while I was browsing through the old headlines I saw one that was explaning how the band ‘Hoobustank’ had just changed their name to ‘Hoobastank’. Ha!

    • Lifeseclipse

      Remember wooks old cd reviews where he used words like “cool” and “awesome” to describe music? Such innocence.

    • Lifeseclipse

      Holy shit dude, it’s like time travel. 13 year old news is fucking amazing. Everything about this site is incredible. Who even remembers Linea77 or Mr. Downstairs?

      Wook, you better clean your palms, cuz those babies are gonna be all over your face when you read this old shit. Ha.

  • cma3585

    My biggest reason for amassing such a large CD collection and continuing to buy CDs and a rare vinyl is mostly driven by the fact that, spare a house fire, they will always be at my disposal and no hard drive crash will prevent that. Mostly though I want a massive collection of CDs for my future kids (when they’re old enough) to dig through and find shit they enjoy themselves. Exploring new music is nowhere near as fun now as it was years ago when you had an entire collection and days/weeks/months (as a kid) on end to just give stuff a spin, check out the booklet/insert, notice trends in which record labels are putting more stuff you enjoy (Roadrunner was the first I took notice of in the late 90s). I LOVED digging through my dad’s vinyl and cassette collection when I was old enough to appreciate music.

    • cma3585

      On a related note, how boring is sifting through folders or small album art icons to find something that could potentially catch your interest?

    • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

      Well said. Vinyl and CDs are permanent(too say), computers and the internet are not(in that sense)……… I’m 27, and people my age and under think it’s senseless and insane to spend money on music. Then I rant to them. —- It takes an educated listener to appreciate what we do, the variables in music(chords, rhythms, melodies ect.). Music was available in two major forms in the 60′s through the mid-ninety’s. Radio and the local record store(which became the local Best Buy and now nothing)(not too disclude MTV, and movies)——- There is no effort required these days, and in my opinion- leads to what we call ‘todays’ industry.

      • dmoe

        Oh Jesus, lol.

  • slut

    ITT: Old cunts put forth thinly-veiled ‘back in my day’ posts.

    • dmoe

      It’s odd seeing so many against the digital format. This is the same ranting I saw when people didn’t take mp3 seriously. Also people complaining about HDD’s crashing and going through folders. As if physical media isn’t prone to damage or being made useless?

      You have the same problems you do with physical as you would with digital. Luckily it’s a lot harder to lose your digital collection since you have a number of ways of backing it up. Not to mention how fucking cheap HDD’s are these days especially with SDD’s coming down in price every few months now.

      • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

        The majority of people who download music aren’t backing up their Mp3s, not saying the people who care don’t. I love my Ipod/S3…. but when download an album, it doesnt quite have the same effect as buying an album. I’m the sentimental type, where years after buying an album, I’ll listen to it agian one night – read the liner notes, read the lryics with a few songs……… you know, the things your supposed to do. We aren’t agianst a digital product, it’s just that it’s so infeareror to the physical verson.

        I don’t want the physical version to go away….. I think CDs(of variaring qualitly) will still around in Target and Wal Mart(also in diminishing stocks-like the last 10 years). And when the CD makes a creeping comeback around 2040, we’ll talk. You may be allowed over to geek out about music.

      • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

        I didn’t spell check, damit.

  • 22 Acacia Ave

    With that attitude Robb, I will NEVER buy one of your CDs ever again either!! On any format, for that matter! It’s attitudes from people like this, that’s closing up all my favourite stores. Stores that have been around, for 30 years. No more Blockbuster or Rogers, cause nobody cares about DVD anymore. No more HMV!! HMV UK is on the brink of bankrupty! yeah, thanks for nothing!!!

    I will go back to buying records before I EVER resort to any of this online crap!

    • Temujin

      Obsolete stores close… it is not our jobs to buy their obsolete product, it is theirs to adapt… Stores aren’t our friends…

      Fuck Blockbuster, and Fuck HMV – just another mouth looking for a piece of the music $$ pie.

      All I want is the music – nothing more. No packaging, no art, no bonus DVDs or Vinyl. It’s all junk to me…

      I am obsessed with music, and listen to it all the time. I have like 12000 mp3s, 90% metal, and I love them all. I just have no use for anything beyond the music…

      I used to buy CDs when I was a teenager all the time. Spent all my money on them. Now, that store is on its way down, and I haven’t bought a CD since Them Crooked Vultures came out, and that’s all fine with me.

      • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

        ” it is not our jobs to buy their obsolete product, it is theirs to adapt… ” – So you’ve bought 12,000 Mp3s than? Because they’re the better product?

        What product do you want? You anti-physical music folks make an argument that CDs are obsolete and the music company’s need to get into the modern age. They are, and you can find their music on the net. What do you guys want? Just music? – That is currently available.

        And to go into a subject most will find dumb….. Another thing that turns me off about Mp3s(again, I love them and use them daily) – your less likely to remember the music you heard. Your making less memories (where you bought the CD, the packaging, all the shit that you did with that single album). There’s a far smaller memory lane with your I-pod or computer. “I remember when Koi No Yokan came out. I went on I-tunes, bought that shit. I didn’t even get up, I sat in my comfy chair(leaving the house is for loons) and had the music instantly, so satisfying.” – Busting out your phone to listen to music doesn’t quite leave an lasting impression, also known as a memory. Sorry, this shit may sound dumb, but it’s real. —– Did you forget about that terrible Loud Lucy CD that you bought in the 5th grade?

        If we don’t need artwork, maybe artists should quit naming albums too.

  • Temujin

    Not to say that vinyl is junk, just that I have no use for it. I like having 12000 songs at my fingertips within seconds at any time. Sound quality is just fine to me.

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