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The Dillinger Escape Plan’s Greg Puciato: “If You Play Aggressive Music And You’re Trying To Get Some Grand Point Across You’re Missing The Fucking Point”

Perhaps influenced by his own time in the studio as of late, The Dillinger Escape Plan frontman Greg Puciato went on the following Twitter rant earlier today (December 07th):

“If you play aggressive music and you’re trying to get some grand point across you’re missing the fucking point. Be selfish not pretentious. If you’re “screaming” I wanna feel immediacy & emotion about YOU. Don’t “scream” at me about outer space or some Orwellian sci-fi shit. Rather hear a kid scream “fuck you parents & teachers” over sloppy grind than some 30yr old scream pseudo philosophy over guitar center wank”

The Dillinger Escape Plan have been in the studio as of late recording their new album with producer Steve Evetts (Every Time I Die, Glassjaw). The eventual completed effort will hit stores next year through Party Smasher Inc./Sumerian Records.

Comments

  • TheDevilsAdvocate

    I love DEP but I could not disagree more with this comment. Basically he’s advocating Korn over the Faceless…. Well Greg, glad to know DEP’s message is more alligned with a temper tantrum from Kevin McCallister than anything scholarly.

    • frog

      The Faceless? I always thought Planetary Duality’s lyrics were meant to be a fun joke, but Autotheism’s lyrics are ironic, philosophically bankrupt, egotistical nonsense. I would rather listen to an adult stuck in teen angst mode, as painful as that is.

      With that said, Greg’s lyrics have never made a lot of sense to me, but I couldn’t care less what Dillinger’s lyrics are about since they are incomprehensible most of the time anyway.

      • http://www.twitter.com/therileybrewer THERileyBrewer

        Or maybe some Dead to Fall… like the whole “Are you serious?” album. Loved it.

    • kturl69

      I thumbed up your comment only because of the Home Alone reference.

    • Lern2Swim

      I can’t disagree with him. Shit sounds like someone’s dictating pages out of a physics book. Fucking boring.

  • InsertWittyName

    Hmmm, a guy from an uber technical progressive metal complaining about the pretentiousness of uber technical progressive metal bands. I confused.

    • Sniki

      Wrong. It’s a guy from an uber technical progressive metal band complaining about the pretentiousness of THE LYRICS of SOME uber technical progressive metal bands.

      • InsertWittyName

        Oh, I get it. It’s okay for the music to be technical…just not the lyrics. That makes more sense.

  • TheMechanica

    As a fan pf TDEP I say this in the most gentle way possible, but it sounds to me like the comment contains a level of jealousy directed squarely at BtBaM.

    I love them both, but if I had to pick between the two bands, I’d go with BtBaM any day, their writing/composition is many levels more intelligent and I don’t really remember ever hearing them say what music should or shouldn’t sound like.

    • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence

      Truly

    • SpinSwimScream

      @TheMechanica: ‘Ad A Dglgmut’ was a song all about the music they have chosen to play and the writing process. It’s one of my favorite songs by them. There is a line in the song where he is basically saying that his music (BtBaM) is above the rest. We all know how talented these guys are, but Tommy and Paul have always been pretty arrogant.

      Their first two albums will always be my favorites. And everything since Colors has been a ‘Hey! Look what I can do!.’ When artists try way too hard to display their talent in their work, it shows. While I also like DEP, they too have this problem from time to time. Both bands are at the top of the world when it comes to their playing abilities. I just wish their egos were a little less involved.

      • xasafx

        nah man.. where in “Ad A Dglgmut” does it say they’re better than all the rest? wtf dude

      • ethos

        I can’t say I’ve met the dudes of BTBAM, but they’ve never come across as arrogant to me. Of course, I could be wrong.

        I assume you’re speaking of You can’t follow me, you sing along to nothing” from Ad A Dglgmut. The thing is that line could be pretentious towards other bands, it could be mocking the audience for not knowing what the lyrics mean despite singing along (Nirvana style) or simply saying that their songs don’t really mean anything at the end of the day. It could be none of these. Most likely it has to do with the general theme of the song on how many bands finds beauty in dissonant noises.

        None of this necessarily means pretension.

      • SpinSwimScream

        Ethos,
        Yeah, that’s the part that I was talking about. I always keep an open mind to things like that, so I’ll be the first to admit you’re probably right on. That’s one of my favorite albums, so I’d rather think of it that way anyways. Seeing them right when that album came out was easily one of the best performances I’ve ever seen too. I probably just took that song the wrong way, because my cousin would always tell me how cocky those dudes are every time I would talk about how good they were. He does lives in Raleigh and says that BtBaM are known around their hometown for being arrogant assholes. Either way, their level of talent can’t be argued.

      • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence

        So, just checking: the only genres BtBaM haven’t placed in their music are Nu-Metal and Trip-Hop, right?

      • ethos

        I’d bet trip-hop is on the way eventually.

  • damn (your mom’s balls)

    Funny cause I always got a sci-fi kinda vibe from DEP. They definitely have a futuristic sound. And I don’t really have a fucking clue what this dudes lyrics are about. That said, I love DEP but am completely missing his point. Probabaly taken out of context.

  • Plethora

    I read these Tweets earlier and I was confused. I love DEP, one of my favs but I have to disagree here. Stories (space themed or otherwise) reflect life and emotion. Anyone who has written lyrics or a story should realise at times, you write about a character and it has part of you in it.

    I also picked up on the BtBaM connection, they toured together at least twice so I assumed he’d be a fan. Can’t knock BtBaM, top, top band.

  • BecomesMyVeryShackles

    Drawn back into the origin-vortex
    Uprooted and ground to dust
    Retracted into anti-existence
    A magnet repelled by life’s polarity

    is much better than…

    What am I supposed to think?
    What am I supposed to think?
    What am I supposed to feel?
    What am I supposed to feel?

  • snake

    hmmmm.. aren’t they friends with deftones though?

  • imavampireimavampireimavampire

    Vektor is branded sci-fi thrash and there doesn’t seen to be anything pretentious about it. Greg just sounds like a humungous asshat.

  • BlueBalls

    I like DEP quite a bit but this seems like Greg’s just nitpicking. There are plenty of bands out there with terrible lyrics. If it’s direct and emotional or abstract with some “grand point” contained within, I don’t give a shit as long as it has substance.

  • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

    This is the guy who likes to trip out on mushrooms, right? I quietly boo this.

    • damn (your mom’s balls)

      Please tell me you aren’t hating on a rock and roll singer because of the “drugs” he uses. With the exception of Frank Zappa I think every solid rock musician that has ever lived has written music high. Go eat some shrooms Stenny… you tight ass.

      • http://www.myspace.com/oldironsidesmusic Stenny

        Nope, love me some mushrooms. —- you guys read it wrong. I’m booing him because he likes to eat mushrooms, and doesn’t like prog music apparently.

  • DirtyWarriorMan

    I don’t entirely disagree with him, but my god, this guy is an asshole. Remember when Option Paralysis came out and NOBODY gave a shit about this band anymore? I know about six people, myself included, who had followed this band’s entire career up until that point. By the time that record came out, it was like, “I just don’t give a shit anymore.”

    • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence

      I remember when everybody was like, “Wow this guy and his 6 friends have crappy taste.”

  • http://www.myspace.com/orangepeelsunshine whatisyourforte

    born of osiris <3's greg puciato

  • musicisgay

    I dig a lot of DEP’s earlier stuff but I disagree with Greg. Some great bands have concept/themed songs or albums…Decrepit Birth, Rings of Saturn, Born of Osiris, BTBAM, The Faceless, The Contortionist, DTP, etc. I find concept/themed albums to be more appealing because it can hold my attention and I actually read the lyrics/look up song meanings. The kill-kill-kill-death-murder-kill shit gets old and boring. With that said, I just love heavy music. No need to nitpick.

  • adamonfire

    They’re not “heavy metal” but he could also be referring to Coheed & Cambria. I stand in the boat where I’ve never been terribly impressed with DEP’s recorded stuff nor their live performance – I had high hopes that it would change my opinion to see them live, but I left with a whole lot of “meh”.

    • frog

      How did you see them? The only way to watch DEP live is as a headlining act in a small venue where the crowd can really get into it and go nuts. It sucks seeing them as an opening act in larger venues – that’s just not the kind of show they play.

      • adamonfire

        It was Warped Tour, but a small crowd (raining). It could be that I just had too high of expectations going in from everything I’ve heard and just left very underwhelmed. With that being said, I’ve seen some great performances at Warped before so I don’t think the limited performance time could be used as an excuse.

      • frog

        Was there a barrier?

      • adamonfire

        Yep, not sure it would’ve mattered much because it was raining pretty steadily – which helped keep crowds down.

  • dillinger1

    Damn why all the hostility? Hes trying to make a point that may make people feel uneasy, take em out of their confort zone. All hes saying theirs a time and place for everything. Screaming in ever song deadens the emotion the artist is trying to convey. Hardcore music and Grindcore convey anger it only makes sense that the vocal delivery would be screaming. Sci Fi, Love and so on and so on. whats the point? besides its only an opinion. Dillinger rule live Meh Meh what the hell is that

    • adamonfire

      Theirs [sic] a time and a place for everything? So what you’re saying is that music should be cookie-cutter and follow a generic formula because that’s the way it’s supposed to be? Get the fuck outta here.

      • dillinger1

        God damn man your making that statement not me. The idea is anger through emotion, when your really are angry about something, your probably wish you could scream on tops of mountains about how horrible your day was or an injustice you witnessed at home at school perhaps at work or even on the 6 o’clock news. screaming for the sake of screaming is silly. I remember hearing Napalm Death for the first time, it was something authentic something real. or Agnostic Front man I felt that angst. Bands who because its easier to convey something through screaming for the sake of screaming bore the shit out of me.

      • adamonfire

        Exactly, cookie-cutter. “Oh look at me I’m just so angry because my parents got me an Acura cake instead of a Ferrari cake”. Just like the guitars, drums, bass, keyboards, motograter, etc. – if it sounds good and works in the flow of the song, it deserves to be there. It doesn’t have to follow any set of metal rules nor a code of conduct to be eligible for screaming. All of these stupid comments by people in bands make me want to scream and laugh.

      • southpawchew

        Ha! a motograter and south park reference?! nice. Now i can understand screaming about that bitch that left you and how you got picked on in high school but how long can you mean that scream? your band is 10 years older and you still scream with the same emotion? no so why not make a piece of music that is meaningfull and timeless in your life? i dont know i guess intelligent thinking and metal must not mesh….

  • southpawchew

    I think this translates to “Don’t place meanings in your songs, (you make me look bad) dumb it down and focus on your self and ego. (Like me me me me)”

  • WorsnopLoverXEX

    I hate Greg Pucaito. Never seen a guy who comes off as more as a head up his ass know it all. I also feel like DEP is the ultimate hipster band in that it dares me not to like it.

  • xasafx

    TDEP wreck their shift every performance. small club headliners or openers for mastodon at terminal 5. wook, lets get a comment counter!

    • G Scotty

      Currently putting on my baseball glove hat to try and catch this comment, which has clearly sailed over my head

  • RUREADY2JIGGLE?

    What the fuck ever. I’m just gonna head on over to YouPorn and watch his girl take a shot in the eye.

  • revstevo

    i don’t think it matters. if your delivery and content is good, then its good. i love DEP and lyrics like Dmitiri’s “i smell that whore. bring me back. bring me a brick” or Greg’s lyrics on bug chasers. but if they wrote a killer tune on transcendentalism or black hole dynamics, i’d still dig it. there’s too much “fuck my parents” etc shit out there but if its done right then its done right.

    • dillinger1

      By the way all the lyrics until recently are Ben Weinman’s not Dimitri’s

      • scorpions

        Kudos on keeping this comment short because your other ones are hard as fuck to read…

      • frog

        Until recently? You sure about that? Minakakis definitely has writing credits on CI, Patton on Irony, and Puciato on the last 3 albums…

  • veil your eyes

    not :heavy metal: but perhaps the mars volta? there are a plethora of bands out there that meet the criteria, greg needs to just change his tampon right quick….

  • ononomos

    Dude needs to stfu and worry about his own shitty band.

    • WURST

      no shit, dude.

      • adamonfire

        Eat Em ‘Up Kats

      • adamonfire

        *’Em Up – my water is boiling!!! brb

  • WURST

    Damn, bro, that was deep. Really tired of hearing this dude’s two cents on topics such as this. This dude always talks like he’s got all the answers.

  • G Scotty

    This comment to me falls under the category of “opinions are like assholes”. I realize the guy likes what he likes, but he has no authority over the free thinking minds of every other person in existence, although he speaks like he does. I immediately thought of BTBAM here, and I am having a lot of trouble taking future sequence out of my player right now…so more or less? Fuck you Greg!

  • southpawchew

    i expect greg to cover this soon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxUuDPNbkJk

    • youcunt

      Why did you do that?!

  • ghostofnathan

    It’s like Toby Keith was playing the role of Shania Twain in that video, and the way he was about to gobble that nightstick at 2:43 proves he’s method.

  • 9 Ounce Prime

    If you’re “screaming” I wanna feel immediacy & emotion about YOU. That being said; OTEP’s “Hydra” will likely be his favorite album of the year.

  • sansself

    Three words, Greg: The Ocean Collective.

    Your argument is now invalid.

  • Plethora

    If You Play Aggressive Music And You’re Trying To Get Some Grand Point Across You’re Missing The Fucking Point…

    So we’re missing the grand fucking point? Contradiction much?

  • http://www.youtube.com/arcadience ARCADIENCE

    Maybe I just have no idea how to use Twitter (which is actually true) but it looks like Greg deleted all of his tweets. Does anyone else remember when Ben made a comment about watching Disturbed do soundcheck and all of their positions were incredibly choreographed, and Greg just took the ball and ran with it and talked up disliking Disturbed? Or when Greg did mushrooms and Ben wrote a piece about how DEP wasn’t a “drug” band and how he drank massive amounts of coffee while writing the riffs? I wonder if Ben had another “talking to” with Greg over making DEP seem anti- other bands/lyric concepts/anything that Greg rants about on a regular basis, and it resulted in the whole thing being taken down.
    Just a funny conspiracy theory I thought I’d share :)

    • adamonfire

      Roidrage. He’s especially pissed because Tim Lambesis is bigger than him and now he’s playing catch-up.

  • dillinger1

    Some of the comments posted here are absolutely horrible, were talking Lambgoat horrible. I thought posting on ThePRP.com was a forum for intelligent talk, I guess I was wrong lol

    • adamonfire

      lol!

    • TheDevilsAdvocate

      ” I thought posting on ThePRP.com was a forum for intelligent talk…” says the same person littering the board with grammatically incorrect nonsense. Relax, will ya? Ya flip right out, what’s got into you? We’re breaking your balls a little bit, that’s all. I’m only kidding with ya…

      Now go home and get your fucking shine box.

    • They Ate Their Macaroons in Silence

      Samuel Stote: What’s a misanthrope, Arthur?
      Two Bob: Some bugger who fuckin’ hates every other bugger.
      Samuel Stote: Hey, I didn’t ask you, you black bastard.
      Arthur Burns: He’s right Samuel. A misanthrope is one who hates humanity.
      Samuel Stote: Is that what we are, misanthropes?
      Arthur Burns: Good lord no. We’re a family.
      -The Proposition

    • ethos

      I’ll actually admit to there being some truth in what he’s saying. Some of the comments here are borderline spiteful, but that’s basically to be expected from any site.

      But most importantly, two words: Pot, kettle.

      • kturl69

        Nobody here is spiteful okay? Let’s treat everyone with the same amount of respect we all rightfully deserve. Haha

  • DeadHearts

    If I was a member of DEP I would say its about time for you to shut the fuck up Greg. You are really making us look like a bunch of fucking douche bags. I still really like DEP’s music but for fuck sake this Greg fellow needs ta put a cork in it.

  • secularglitch

    I haven’t listened to much BtBaM but Rosetta renders this dude’s argument moot.

  • dillinger1

    THis is not the first time ThePrp.com has picked up one of Gregs rants. If you want to challenge Greg on his commentary go to twitter and follow him. I am sure Greg would love to spar with you.

    • adamonfire

      You’re a faggot.

      /otep

    • WURST

      Yeah, you’re a faggot.

      /Wurst

      • dillinger1

        what are you 5?

      • WURST

        Is this a serious question?

    • http://www.youtube.com/arcadience ARCADIENCE

      I actually tried just that, and was one of many responses to that handful of tweets, as far as I could see he didn’t respond to anyone, nor should anyone expect a response. Also, it’s not like posting on ThePRP is some kind of poor alternative to responding directly to artists when they say asinine things on twitter, reading over the posts here, they were more insightful then anything I saw in response on Twitter.

      No reason to finger wag others or claim that a less “intelligent talk” is occuring than you apparently would have hoped, but I think this is probably one of the BEST places to discuss these sorts of thing.

      Besides, Lambgoat is pretty fucking lame. Just my opinion, but I’ve never seen anything worthwhile happening over there.

  • veil your eyes

    yeah, you’re an otep.

  • dillinger1

    Greg is not communicating very much in the last 2 months on twitter, part of his writing ritual. I am surprised he even posted that tweet..anyway the funny thing is, I dont think ThePRP has recieved this many comments about an OPINION in recent memory.

    • adamonfire

      That’s because you only click on DEP stories, fanboy.

      • dillinger1

        that right I am a fanboy and your f’n point is? come on you idiots are predictable as f#$k

      • adamonfire

        Obviously if someone were to attack alexisonfire I’d be all like “Hey guy, that’s not true and you know they’re all great musicians” and yada yada yada. But what I WOULDN’T defend is if one of them said something this fucking retarded.

        PS, you can swear, this isn’t the ESPN nor Yahoo! comments section.

      • kturl69

        Both bands suck

    • http://www.youtube.com/arcadience ARCADIENCE

      Otep’s absurd diatribes were all opinions, and got 2x-3x the responses.

      Also, as Chuck Klosterman once pointed out, the more metal singers bark and scream, the more fans value and focus on the lyrics. So it’s a relatively contentious issue.

  • mee maw

    What an ignorant statement. Just because this guy doesn’t have the education which provides a basis to be passionate about things other than being angry about your parents doesn’t mean others don’t feel that same passion for deeper ethereal concepts. TDEP has been churning out contrived and uninteresting material ever since Calculating Infinity so his opinion doesn’t really hold water.

    • dillinger1

      Know what you are talking about before you comment