The Chariot’s Stephen Harrison: “Stop Using Kickstarter. You’re In A Hardcore Band.”
The Chariot guitarist/vocalist Stephen “Stevis” Harrison isn’t a proponent of bands relying on fans to fund their albums. Speaking via his Twitter earlier today (August 31st), he stated:
“Stop using Kickstarter. You’re in a hardcore band. Not having money for things is part of the game. Sacrifice and work it out.”
He later clarified that his comments weren’t directed at Confide, and eventually followed up with the following tweet:
“Just to clarify, That last tweet wasn’t directed towards anyone in particular. Its something ive noticed has been happening alot, thats all.”
The Chariot‘s excellent new album “One Wing” saw a release earlier this week.
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My response to this at the top of the comments:
http://www.theprp.com/2012/08/31/news/confide-to-return-with-new-album-launch-30000-kickstarter-campaign-to-fund-it/#comment-66251
Agreed, what a crock of shit, plus Confide are awesome haircut-core deep V slip on shoe wearing losers.
Hahaha. I think the drummer for Avenged Sevenfold was from Confide? I might be wrong.
Arin Ilejay? he was from Confide, good drummer tho.
Is there anything about their actual music that makes you dislike them? I guess not.
^Who and what band?
I don’t know about sums like 30k (i know what it took to record killer albums from Dying Fetus and Misery Index and it wasnt near 30k), but personally, I like being able to help in concerted efforts to help the bands I love.
I’ve known too many killer musicians over the years that deserved to do better but just couldn’t make it happen for whatever reason.
Kickstart (or whatever) $10 now and get a CD later, I’m patient.
Well you’re probably the same spineless, chicken shit pussy that will hand over a dollar to the guy in front of the gas station begging for money, which you know damn well he’s going to use for beer.
Why can’t these shitheads take out loans if they want to record another album? It’s not that damn hard. Oh I know why, because they want YOU to pay for it like a bunch of little bitches. Enjoy being a little bitch.
you still have to pay back loans.
That’s my point. Work for your shit. I was suggesting an alternative to begging on the internet like a bunch of lazy fucks.
But how will they pay loans if their an underground band that doesn’t sell to many albums? It’s like an extremely long per-order, donate $10 get the album later, cheaper than itunes.
Then I guess music isnt what they were cut out for. I want a Corvette but I can’t afford one. Does that mean I should rely on all my friends and family to donate $200 to make that dream a reality? Fuck no. I have to work my ass off for it. Fred Fred, I’m gonna cut you some slack because you’re 17, you probably don’t completely “get” the real world yet and I like ya. You just don’t beg for shit, period. This is just a classless, tasteless and selfish thing to do to their fans (if they even have any).
i’m pretty sure when a band records a record, they’re doing it not only for their own effort and business / creative satisfaction, but also the benefit of their fans. when you buy a corvette, that’s for you solely to enjoy, and likely don’t intend to use as a tool to make money back. Your disgust with this whole scenario is extremely misguided, and this is essentially a stronger foundation that signing with a label to have “loan” you the money to record a record only to owe that back on top parting with the ownership of that record.
Hahahahahah. Yep. You got me spot on there sport. It’s fun being “that guy” on the interweb huh?
I totally give $ to the guys begging for money. The guys who have signs sayin’: “I aint gonna lie, I’m just tryin ta get drunk”.
Bands now a days NEED to find creative ways to fund things. The asshole kids now don’t buy music (look at me weird when I tell ‘em I do). I’m not at all saying it should be tens of thousands of dollar, but like I said if it’s paying a reasonable price now for something I get later, cool. THATS the “payback of the loan”.
Providing value for value is fair. Fans who want to support a band they like should be glad that for a $10 CD more/all of the money is actually going to the band, and not crap stuff totally unrelated to music like middle men at record labels and advertising.
This could also be a good model to make a compromise about supplying music while combating piracy. Bands can get a lump sum up front they are satisfied with, and then the music album is simply put out for everyone to take, no need for DRM.
“I am saying some shit I mean.”
“I didn’t mean what I said about anyone specific.”
You shouldn’t expect fans to fund your album, but if you do it right, kickstarter can be a great tool in expanding your fanbase and offering them special treats. Case in point, check out what Black Mother Super Rainbow offered for their new album
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1082093041/black-moth-super-rainbow-new-album-cobra-juicy
They raised $125K! Unreal. But they offer much more than a future CD.
he openly admits on this kickstarter:
“I make my records for at home for free, so luckily there aren’t any recording costs.”
so basically, they made a bunch of shirts and masks made by kindergartners for 125,000 dollars?
Maybe they should just offer up “shares” of the recording process and if people chip in to support it and it does well the “investors” get their money back, plus a small percentage for their trouble. Capitalism 101.
I love the idea of kickstarter but just not for funding a recording. They aren’t manufacturing an entirely physical product, so there’s always a chance you’re throwing your money at something shitty. If you can’t get out there, play shows, light the fire under peoples ass and find labels/people who want to record your shit, then just stay in your room. Momma always told me handouts were for selfish layabouts.
Michael Gira has been funding his recordings for years by selling limited edition live albums. He’s obviously in another league than most, but it does go to show that there are ways to get shit done without holding out a change jar.
Just to clarify, Stevis of The Chariot, you suck. What investors portfolio is your band a part of? Seems as if Kickstarter is “Working it out.” You should encourage this activity instead of tearing it down. You make money from SALES. Which is what Kickstarter is. Besides your band is @ 14:59 and counting down. The music will not stand the test of time. We will see your album on the $1 store rack in the near future.
Touring bands make money from sales? Have you been living under a rock for the last 10 years or what the fuck is wrong with you?
Live under no rock. I’m fine.
Live under no rock. Nothing wrong with me. Just fine over here.
A fuckin’ cookie stand manages to raise $100k on kickstarter. I really don’t get it…
Furthermore, I for one wholeheartedly agree with this guy. I know bands who work for a year and save every penny, go out on the road and lose their shit night after night. That’s how it’s done!
Raising a bunch of cash on Kickstarter is about as fun as playing Sim City and typing in “m-o-n-e-y” a bunch of times, it’s great for a while but then it turns into a disaster!
Kickstarter My Heart.
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